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Why can't we pay people to donate organs instead of begging or forcing them to, again?

awestroke 6y ago
1. Pay dead people? Why? How would that work? 2. Opt-out is not the same as forcing people 3. Dead people can't be forced to do anything, they are dead
- cryptonector 6y ago
  1. Pay their estates, of course. (Which then gets used to pay for burial, enhance inheritance, offset death taxes, etc.) 2. I said "begging/forcing". Opt-out is forcing those who don't know, and begging those who do. Opt-in is begging. And you know, we've started with begging (not even opt-in), then added opt-in, now we're onto opt-out, which might make one wonder: what's the next step? The obvious answer is that if we continue on this path we won't even get to opt out (force). 3. Nonsense. The next of kin of a dead person gets to decide burial options, and much more. And there's no reason a living person couldn't have the right to decide what is to be done with their body after death. Does the State own you, or do you own yourself? If the latter, you get to sell your dead body; if the former, you don't get to sell your dead body.
danparsonson 6y ago
You'd be dead, what would you do with the money? Also, we don't charge people to receive them; organ donation is for the common good.
- bserge 6y ago
  They'd go to the family.
- cryptonector 6y ago
  Have you never heard of "estates"? Do you really have no clue how we deal with death? What do you think happens to a person's assets when they die? Is their body not an assert? If you could sell your dead body, it would be an asset.
bserge 6y ago
It seems that it would increase the size of the black market significantly, create (more) underground slave rings, criminals would do the forcing and take the cash. That, plus organ sales wouldn't stop at kidneys and the "trade your life for money to your family" thing doesn't sit well with most people, even if it's voluntary.
- cryptonector 6y ago
  Why would there be a black market if there is a legal market? (Black markets develop when there are no legal markets.) Kidneys and half-livers would all that would be legal to sell before death, but I'm talking about donations at death.
  - bserge 6y ago
    Human trafficking from poorer countries, kidnapping family and forcing the father/mother/siblings to sell their organs, for example.
    - cryptonector 6y ago
      This already happens.

1. Pay dead people? Why? How would that work? 2. Opt-out is not the same as forcing people 3. Dead people can't be forced to do anything, they are dead

cryptonector 6y ago
1. Pay their estates, of course. (Which then gets used to pay for burial, enhance inheritance, offset death taxes, etc.) 2. I said "begging/forcing". Opt-out is forcing those who don't know, and begging those who do. Opt-in is begging. And you know, we've started with begging (not even opt-in), then added opt-in, now we're onto opt-out, which might make one wonder: what's the next step? The obvious answer is that if we continue on this path we won't even get to opt out (force). 3. Nonsense. The next of kin of a dead person gets to decide burial options, and much more. And there's no reason a living person couldn't have the right to decide what is to be done with their body after death. Does the State own you, or do you own yourself? If the latter, you get to sell your dead body; if the former, you don't get to sell your dead body.

danparsonson 6y ago

You'd be dead, what would you do with the money? Also, we don't charge people to receive them; organ donation is for the common good.

bserge 6y ago
They'd go to the family.
cryptonector 6y ago
Have you never heard of "estates"? Do you really have no clue how we deal with death? What do you think happens to a person's assets when they die? Is their body not an assert? If you could sell your dead body, it would be an asset.

bserge 6y ago

It seems that it would increase the size of the black market significantly, create (more) underground slave rings, criminals would do the forcing and take the cash. That, plus organ sales wouldn't stop at kidneys and the "trade your life for money to your family" thing doesn't sit well with most people, even if it's voluntary.

cryptonector 6y ago
Why would there be a black market if there is a legal market? (Black markets develop when there are no legal markets.) Kidneys and half-livers would all that would be legal to sell before death, but I'm talking about donations at death.
- bserge 6y ago
  Human trafficking from poorer countries, kidnapping family and forcing the father/mother/siblings to sell their organs, for example.
  - cryptonector 6y ago
    This already happens.