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> I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech. This is the

> I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech. This is the main point of contention. No one denies that such words are a common occurrence on 4chan, but you believe these words are automatically indicative of racism. Are you open to the idea that someone who refers to himself as “an Archfag” is simply communicating on his being an Arch Linux user, and not otherwise intending to communicate his sexual orientation, and certainly not to proffer a negative view of his own sexual orientation?

ineedasername 6y ago
I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. So let's break it down: 1) A person is being insulted 2) The language of the insult is a comparison to another group of people. 3) Being a member of that group is supposed to be a bad thing, which is what makes it an insult. 4) Therefore the person believes that group of people is in some way inferior, bad, or otherwise undesirable in some way.
- throwaway0xa 6y ago
  >1) A person is being insulted You got this wrong, it's not an insult. Somethingfag such as "oldfag", "newfag", "Archfag", etc. are not insults whatsoever. They're shibboleth terms for "old users", "new users", "Arch users". Your entire premise is incorrect. >2) The language of the insult is a comparison to another group of people. No one is being insulted, so this point is also wrong. >3) Being a member of that group is supposed to be a bad thing, which is what makes it an insult. You're projecting here big time. No one there is tying any negativity or positivity to the "fag" suffix, only you are. >4) Therefore the person believes that group of people is in some way inferior, bad, or otherwise undesirable in some way. Nonsensical since nothing is being tied to inferiority, "badness", or anything undesirable. You still don't get it.
  - sib301 6y ago
    I’m not OP, but my friend, you don’t get it. It’s sort of mind blowing actually.
    - throwaway0xa 6y ago
      Glad you admit that both you and the OP don't get it. It's only mind blowing because you don't get it.
  - skinnymuch 6y ago
    People [who don’t get it] are being insulted to some degree. Just indirectly. If these words didn’t have their actual background of meanings, they wouldn’t be used. I don’t agree with people getting too insulted by any of this. It’s not edgy. It’s corny and part of the gate keeping. Both sides don’t get it at times. At least when the using side seriously thinks there’s nothing wrong at all, ever, with the usage. Again, I don’t think the word usage matters at all. I was once a “/b/tard”. The extremes of saying it’s so bad or saying there’s nothing wrong at all in any way shape or form are both incorrect.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  > I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. I think you interpret these words are insults when they are simply descriptors. You keep saying they are used so commonly but you don't provide any context for these quotes. Let us consider: https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/archfag/ https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/archfag/ On the first page of 25 comments, 10 were used in a manner of disagreement with the person referred to, 5 were self-descriptors, 5 were in praise of others, and 5 were with no positive or negative inference to it. If we search or "Arch user" instead: https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22arch%20user%22/ https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22arch%20user%22/ We get rather similar results. > So let's break it down: Given that the phrase “Arch user” is used insultingly with the same frequency, would you apply the same logic to the word “user”?
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. It's a slur. The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. It's an offensive term just like the N word.
    - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
      Perhaps it is, but that's a completely argument than the one proffered by the user I was responding to. I'm refuting those claims, which are falsifiable, your claims are not and are merely a moral axiom such as “Stealing is bad.” which entail no factual, falsifiable component.
    - throwaway0xa 6y ago
      >It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. Except it does. You're going into a community and projecting your sense of what is and is not offensive. They don't find it offensive or see it as a slur, you do. You're seeking their community out, they're not coming to your home and calling you an "Archfag". >The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. Of course, because offense is taken, not given. No one said otherwise. >It's an offensive term just like the N word. It's not offensive if you're Black and you use it in the Black community. Exactly the same as a 4channer using "-fag" its usage not being offensive in the 4chan community. You literally just proved his point. QED.

ineedasername 6y ago

I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. So let's break it down: 1) A person is being insulted 2) The language of the insult is a comparison to another group of people. 3) Being a member of that group is supposed to be a bad thing, which is what makes it an insult. 4) Therefore the person believes that group of people is in some way inferior, bad, or otherwise undesirable in some way.

throwaway0xa 6y ago
>1) A person is being insulted You got this wrong, it's not an insult. Somethingfag such as "oldfag", "newfag", "Archfag", etc. are not insults whatsoever. They're shibboleth terms for "old users", "new users", "Arch users". Your entire premise is incorrect. >2) The language of the insult is a comparison to another group of people. No one is being insulted, so this point is also wrong. >3) Being a member of that group is supposed to be a bad thing, which is what makes it an insult. You're projecting here big time. No one there is tying any negativity or positivity to the "fag" suffix, only you are. >4) Therefore the person believes that group of people is in some way inferior, bad, or otherwise undesirable in some way. Nonsensical since nothing is being tied to inferiority, "badness", or anything undesirable. You still don't get it.
- sib301 6y ago
  I’m not OP, but my friend, you don’t get it. It’s sort of mind blowing actually.
  - throwaway0xa 6y ago
    Glad you admit that both you and the OP don't get it. It's only mind blowing because you don't get it.
- skinnymuch 6y ago
  People [who don’t get it] are being insulted to some degree. Just indirectly. If these words didn’t have their actual background of meanings, they wouldn’t be used. I don’t agree with people getting too insulted by any of this. It’s not edgy. It’s corny and part of the gate keeping. Both sides don’t get it at times. At least when the using side seriously thinks there’s nothing wrong at all, ever, with the usage. Again, I don’t think the word usage matters at all. I was once a “/b/tard”. The extremes of saying it’s so bad or saying there’s nothing wrong at all in any way shape or form are both incorrect.
Blikkentrekker 6y ago
> I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. I think you interpret these words are insults when they are simply descriptors. You keep saying they are used so commonly but you don't provide any context for these quotes. Let us consider: https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/archfag/ https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/archfag/ On the first page of 25 comments, 10 were used in a manner of disagreement with the person referred to, 5 were self-descriptors, 5 were in praise of others, and 5 were with no positive or negative inference to it. If we search or "Arch user" instead: https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22arch%20user%22/ https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22arch%20user%22/ We get rather similar results. > So let's break it down: Given that the phrase “Arch user” is used insultingly with the same frequency, would you apply the same logic to the word “user”?
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. It's a slur. The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. It's an offensive term just like the N word.
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    Perhaps it is, but that's a completely argument than the one proffered by the user I was responding to. I'm refuting those claims, which are falsifiable, your claims are not and are merely a moral axiom such as “Stealing is bad.” which entail no factual, falsifiable component.
  - throwaway0xa 6y ago
    >It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. Except it does. You're going into a community and projecting your sense of what is and is not offensive. They don't find it offensive or see it as a slur, you do. You're seeking their community out, they're not coming to your home and calling you an "Archfag". >The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. Of course, because offense is taken, not given. No one said otherwise. >It's an offensive term just like the N word. It's not offensive if you're Black and you use it in the Black community. Exactly the same as a 4channer using "-fag" its usage not being offensive in the 4chan community. You literally just proved his point. QED.