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You're right. It's a duopoly, a cartel. A system controlled by two players who move in coordination with one another. techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-dr

You're right. It's a duopoly, a cartel. A system controlled by two players who move in coordination with one another. techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-drops-commissions-to-15-from-30-following-apples-move-last-year

erhk 5y ago
Good thing that they all cross into each other's primary fields so that there's never a monopoly. Google makes phones. Windows is a search company.
- threeseed 5y ago
  Apple has a search engine. Apple sells advertising. Apple has a maps app. So does Yahoo, Naver, Yandex, Baidu etc. It's all very far from a cartel.
BoorishBears 5y ago
Sure chose a bad example... that's Google being forced to drop fees by their competitor. Those are commissions the stores take not what the developers take. Sure sounds like competition.
Guthur 5y ago
And yet again wrong. Google and Apple have exhibited very little cartel like behaviour at all. If they had there would have been a clear anti trust case by now. The problem is that everyone seems to have collectively forgot that it's not monopolies in and of themselves that we have to protected against but rather anti trust behaviour. You could potentially argue that app stores do exhibit anti trust behaviour but in that case one should do so and not throw around words clearly aimed at invoking an emotional response.
threeseed 5y ago
You need to be careful as words matter. Apple and Google are not a cartel by any definition and they do not in anyway coordinate with each other. Either of these are criminal. Google reducing their margins to better compete with Apple is no different to how every market works.
- wdn 5y ago
  Apple and Google’s action is no more than a cartel than Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile in the late 90s and early 2000s. They just don’t compete against each other.
RunawayGalaxy 5y ago
OR maybe that's just how markets work

erhk 5y ago

Good thing that they all cross into each other's primary fields so that there's never a monopoly. Google makes phones. Windows is a search company.

threeseed 5y ago
Apple has a search engine. Apple sells advertising. Apple has a maps app. So does Yahoo, Naver, Yandex, Baidu etc. It's all very far from a cartel.

BoorishBears 5y ago

Sure chose a bad example... that's Google being forced to drop fees by their competitor. Those are commissions the stores take not what the developers take. Sure sounds like competition.

Guthur 5y ago

And yet again wrong. Google and Apple have exhibited very little cartel like behaviour at all. If they had there would have been a clear anti trust case by now. The problem is that everyone seems to have collectively forgot that it's not monopolies in and of themselves that we have to protected against but rather anti trust behaviour. You could potentially argue that app stores do exhibit anti trust behaviour but in that case one should do so and not throw around words clearly aimed at invoking an emotional response.

threeseed 5y ago

You need to be careful as words matter. Apple and Google are not a cartel by any definition and they do not in anyway coordinate with each other. Either of these are criminal. Google reducing their margins to better compete with Apple is no different to how every market works.

wdn 5y ago
Apple and Google’s action is no more than a cartel than Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile in the late 90s and early 2000s. They just don’t compete against each other.

RunawayGalaxy 5y ago

OR maybe that's just how markets work