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I think you are the one doing the conflating. You've jumped from "these words are sometimes used" to "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing

I think you are the one doing the conflating. You've jumped from "these words are sometimes used" to "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings".

solosoyokaze 6y ago
> "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings". There's no other way to use these words. They're always racist and homophobic. That's the point, /pol is a cesspool of racism and homophobia.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  They clearly can, and are in this case used, to communicate information where neither the listener nor the speaker is even thinking about race or sexual orientation, and no comment thereon is made. If you wish to still call that “racism and homophobia”, then neither of which necessarily has anything to do with race or sexual orientations, or even disdain. — you should also know that your usage of these words is then quite nonstandard, and does not align with what most mean with them. The word “nigger”, in particular, has been of particular interest of study in how depending on context the word can very much be about race, and negatively so, to a simple form of address that has no implications of race.
- hda2 6y ago
  > There's no other way to use these words. They're always racist and homophobic. The way this thread progressed was very fascinating to read. First, an absurd baseless generalization was made. Then, when challenged, the generalization was narrowed down a bit. Then it was narrowed down again and again until we got this comment which asserts an outright lie. These words aren't always used in a racist and homophobic way. 4chan is proof of this.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    These words are always racist. It doesn’t matter what 4chan claims.
- throw7 6y ago
  > There's no other way to use these words. Try to step back and move into another level. What are words? What is this "vibration of air molecules" hitting my ear? What is the meaning behind them? Why so? Do these certain "frequencies" always mean a certain meaning? Always?
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    I don't think that analyzing racial slurs at the level molecular interactions is a useful exercise in understanding racism or hate speech.
ineedasername 6y ago
Okay, I'll go back & check again, maybe it's you who is right after all, maybe it is only "sometimes" on 4chan... Nope, it's still me, I'm right: I just saw a whole new group of content on the first page of /g/, still lots of racism & homophobic slurs. A an even mix of f- & n- words, though it also included these two gems: "tranny fa--ot shitskin" followed by "Holocaust never happened" So nope, nothing is conflated for me and I haven't jumped anywhere. My feet are firmly planted in the land of "4Chan has lots of racism & hate speech". I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  > I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech. This is the main point of contention. No one denies that such words are a common occurrence on 4chan, but you believe these words are automatically indicative of racism. Are you open to the idea that someone who refers to himself as “an Archfag” is simply communicating on his being an Arch Linux user, and not otherwise intending to communicate his sexual orientation, and certainly not to proffer a negative view of his own sexual orientation?
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. So let's break it down: 1) A person is being insulted 2) The language of the insult is a comparison to another group of people. 3) Being a member of that group is supposed to be a bad thing, which is what makes it an insult. 4) Therefore the person believes that group of people is in some way inferior, bad, or otherwise undesirable in some way.
    - throwaway0xa 6y ago

I think you are the one doing the conflating. You've jumped from "these words are sometimes used" to "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings".

solosoyokaze 6y ago

> "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings". There's no other way to use these words. They're always racist and homophobic. That's the point, /pol is a cesspool of racism and homophobia.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
They clearly can, and are in this case used, to communicate information where neither the listener nor the speaker is even thinking about race or sexual orientation, and no comment thereon is made. If you wish to still call that “racism and homophobia”, then neither of which necessarily has anything to do with race or sexual orientations, or even disdain. — you should also know that your usage of these words is then quite nonstandard, and does not align with what most mean with them. The word “nigger”, in particular, has been of particular interest of study in how depending on context the word can very much be about race, and negatively so, to a simple form of address that has no implications of race.
hda2 6y ago
> There's no other way to use these words. They're always racist and homophobic. The way this thread progressed was very fascinating to read. First, an absurd baseless generalization was made. Then, when challenged, the generalization was narrowed down a bit. Then it was narrowed down again and again until we got this comment which asserts an outright lie. These words aren't always used in a racist and homophobic way. 4chan is proof of this.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  These words are always racist. It doesn’t matter what 4chan claims.
throw7 6y ago
> There's no other way to use these words. Try to step back and move into another level. What are words? What is this "vibration of air molecules" hitting my ear? What is the meaning behind them? Why so? Do these certain "frequencies" always mean a certain meaning? Always?
- ineedasername 6y ago
  I don't think that analyzing racial slurs at the level molecular interactions is a useful exercise in understanding racism or hate speech.

ineedasername 6y ago

Okay, I'll go back & check again, maybe it's you who is right after all, maybe it is only "sometimes" on 4chan... Nope, it's still me, I'm right: I just saw a whole new group of content on the first page of /g/, still lots of racism & homophobic slurs. A an even mix of f- & n- words, though it also included these two gems: "tranny fa--ot shitskin" followed by "Holocaust never happened" So nope, nothing is conflated for me and I haven't jumped anywhere. My feet are firmly planted in the land of "4Chan has lots of racism & hate speech". I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
> I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech. This is the main point of contention. No one denies that such words are a common occurrence on 4chan, but you believe these words are automatically indicative of racism. Are you open to the idea that someone who refers to himself as “an Archfag” is simply communicating on his being an Arch Linux user, and not otherwise intending to communicate his sexual orientation, and certainly not to proffer a negative view of his own sexual orientation?
- ineedasername 6y ago
  I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. So let's break it down: 1) A person is being insulted 2) The language of the insult is a comparison to another group of people. 3) Being a member of that group is supposed to be a bad thing, which is what makes it an insult. 4) Therefore the person believes that group of people is in some way inferior, bad, or otherwise undesirable in some way.
  - throwaway0xa 6y ago