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>The same people who think ... also think ... This is a common format of "fact" that we invent to rationalize our own hatreds. It's usually impossible to gener

>The same people who think ... also think ... This is a common format of "fact" that we invent to rationalize our own hatreds. It's usually impossible to generalize to any meaningful degree. Not that it's never possible to construct a reasonable observation this way.

throwaway8581 6y ago
No I mean literally the same people telling you to believe one tell you to believe the other. And that particular tribe is very obedient of their media leaders.
- Talanes 6y ago
  But you don't mean that literally, hence your use of vague generalizations like "tribe" and "media leaders." You don't mean specific people, you mean a broad range of people that you have grouped into all holding singular opinions. Not the same thing.
- simonh 6y ago
  That cuts both ways. There are a lot of people who see themselves as pro law and order, would deplore a protest in which a police officer was killed, would normally be horrified by protesters chanting “shoot him with his own gun” when they isolated an officer, yet sympathise with the Capitol protests where both of these things happened. The truth is most of the Capitol protesters probably had no intention to actually hurt anyone. The same is true of most of the people at BLM protests. Yet in both cases there are extreme elements that revel in violence for their respective cause. The problem isn’t left wing extremists or right wing extremists. The problem is extremists and those on either side that, while not violent themselves, offer aid comfort and support to those that are. That justify violence selectively in some cases while deploring it in others for partisan reasons.
  - Leparamour 6y ago
    >would deplore a protest in which a police officer was killed https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-polic... But they surely instrumentalized that death for their own ends: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/brian-sicknick-lie-in-honor-capitol-police/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/brian-sicknick-l...
  - throwaway8581 6y ago
    A police officer was not killed. He died of natural causes as the coroner recently reported. Maybe stop listening to CNN.

throwaway8581 6y ago

No I mean literally the same people telling you to believe one tell you to believe the other. And that particular tribe is very obedient of their media leaders.

Talanes 6y ago
But you don't mean that literally, hence your use of vague generalizations like "tribe" and "media leaders." You don't mean specific people, you mean a broad range of people that you have grouped into all holding singular opinions. Not the same thing.
simonh 6y ago
That cuts both ways. There are a lot of people who see themselves as pro law and order, would deplore a protest in which a police officer was killed, would normally be horrified by protesters chanting “shoot him with his own gun” when they isolated an officer, yet sympathise with the Capitol protests where both of these things happened. The truth is most of the Capitol protesters probably had no intention to actually hurt anyone. The same is true of most of the people at BLM protests. Yet in both cases there are extreme elements that revel in violence for their respective cause. The problem isn’t left wing extremists or right wing extremists. The problem is extremists and those on either side that, while not violent themselves, offer aid comfort and support to those that are. That justify violence selectively in some cases while deploring it in others for partisan reasons.
- Leparamour 6y ago
  >would deplore a protest in which a police officer was killed https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-polic... But they surely instrumentalized that death for their own ends: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/brian-sicknick-lie-in-honor-capitol-police/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/brian-sicknick-l...
- throwaway8581 6y ago
  A police officer was not killed. He died of natural causes as the coroner recently reported. Maybe stop listening to CNN.