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No one is being forced to take vaccines. It’s already announced there will be no federal vaccine passport, and many states are banning passports.

option 6y ago
at least here, in California, you can not chose which one you get when making the appointment or when arriving at the vaccination site. Also CSU and UC will require vaccinations for return to on-campus. (Though I'm not sure that they will be able to do so until vaccines are under "emergency use" authorization, not a regular one)
- void_mint 6y ago
  It's true that you can't choose, but lots of places are listing what vaccines they're doing on specific days. You can "choose" by booking an appointment at a location that has the one you want, or by avoiding locations that have ones you don't want. As an example, I booked my appointment specifically at a location that only carried Pfizer.
  - option 6y ago
    yeah, when I went (and got Moderna), I saw many people (who booked the appointment) asking staff "Is it Pfizer" and leaving when the answer was No.
    - void_mint 6y ago
      My personal take was just to avoid J&J in favor of mRNA vaccines, but only because of my vague obsessive anxiety.
      - halfjoking 6y ago
        I have the opposite take. It seems it would be harder for the government to insert a "biological backdoor" into a viral vector vaccine than something that runs any RNA code as long as it's encoded in a special lipid delivery system (according to my limited understanding). 1 in 250k chance of blood clots is nothing... at least compared to the anxiety of the government having a switch in my biology that could melt my brain at anytime.
        void_mint 6y ago
        That's one take. Mine was more about efficacy. J&J IIRC was around 60%, while mRNA vaccines are around 90%. Big brain vaccine scientists tell me that 60% is fine but all I see is 30% less efficacy. I wouldn't be able to feel confident/safe even after getting J&J.
    - arsome 6y ago
      That seems like a really weird decision because both Moderna and Pfizer are using very similar technologies and haven't had much negative press coverage.
      - option 6y ago
        yes, and a waste of appointment slot
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        anecdotally, I've heard that people are experiencing worse second-dose side effects with Moderna (not dangerous, just the 1-2 day sick feeling). I wouldn't dodge it because of it, but people might.
- tzs 6y ago
  Here in Western Washington, I've not seen any site mixing vaccines. One Walgreens might have Moderna and another Pfizer, but any given day any particular store will only have one of them. Most places say when you sign up which they will have for your appointment, but if they do not you can often tell by looking at the eligibility. If they are offering appointments to people age 16+, they are using Pfizer. If 18+, Moderna. Most places here also tell you on the signup form that your second appointment will be the same time and place exactly N weeks after the first. If N = 3, they are using Pfizer. If N = 4, Moderna.
- refurb 6y ago
  Considering no ID was required to get a vaccine and the “proof” is nothing more than a date written on a card, I’m curious how they will enforce it.
neither_color 6y ago
Domestically that's the case but if you have(had) to travel abroad often for work or family reasons that won't be the case. I regularly(used to) visit and have family ties to a country that allows vaccine records in lieu of negative tests for entry. I'd say that's reasonable. https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-tourists-the-complete-list/ https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-...
- void_mint 6y ago
  Right, but are you seeing how allowing vaccine records in lieu of other documentation is not the same as requiring vaccination?
  - neither_color 6y ago
    None of this has made sense for months I'm just going with the flow. We get x-ray scanned through our clothes every time we fly what's dignity? It's just another airport document as far as Im concerned.
    - void_mint 6y ago
      I'm sorry, I can't really tell how your comment is related to my comment? What does verifying that you took precaution to prevent the spread of covid have to do with dignity?
      - neither_color 6y ago
        My mistake. I misread your response as requiring one or the other being the same as forcing. Some people find having to show a negative test or vaccination record for international travel as invasive, and to them I'd say that the real violation of privacy happens at the TSA line.
- ForHackernews 6y ago
  You mean you'll have to fulfil certain legal requirements in order to be permitted entry to a foreign country? Surely that's unprecedented!

option 6y ago

at least here, in California, you can not chose which one you get when making the appointment or when arriving at the vaccination site. Also CSU and UC will require vaccinations for return to on-campus. (Though I'm not sure that they will be able to do so until vaccines are under "emergency use" authorization, not a regular one)

void_mint 6y ago
It's true that you can't choose, but lots of places are listing what vaccines they're doing on specific days. You can "choose" by booking an appointment at a location that has the one you want, or by avoiding locations that have ones you don't want. As an example, I booked my appointment specifically at a location that only carried Pfizer.
- option 6y ago
  yeah, when I went (and got Moderna), I saw many people (who booked the appointment) asking staff "Is it Pfizer" and leaving when the answer was No.
  - void_mint 6y ago
    My personal take was just to avoid J&J in favor of mRNA vaccines, but only because of my vague obsessive anxiety.
    - halfjoking 6y ago
      I have the opposite take. It seems it would be harder for the government to insert a "biological backdoor" into a viral vector vaccine than something that runs any RNA code as long as it's encoded in a special lipid delivery system (according to my limited understanding). 1 in 250k chance of blood clots is nothing... at least compared to the anxiety of the government having a switch in my biology that could melt my brain at anytime.
      - void_mint 6y ago
        That's one take. Mine was more about efficacy. J&J IIRC was around 60%, while mRNA vaccines are around 90%. Big brain vaccine scientists tell me that 60% is fine but all I see is 30% less efficacy. I wouldn't be able to feel confident/safe even after getting J&J.
  - arsome 6y ago
    That seems like a really weird decision because both Moderna and Pfizer are using very similar technologies and haven't had much negative press coverage.
    - option 6y ago
      yes, and a waste of appointment slot
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      anecdotally, I've heard that people are experiencing worse second-dose side effects with Moderna (not dangerous, just the 1-2 day sick feeling). I wouldn't dodge it because of it, but people might.
tzs 6y ago
Here in Western Washington, I've not seen any site mixing vaccines. One Walgreens might have Moderna and another Pfizer, but any given day any particular store will only have one of them. Most places say when you sign up which they will have for your appointment, but if they do not you can often tell by looking at the eligibility. If they are offering appointments to people age 16+, they are using Pfizer. If 18+, Moderna. Most places here also tell you on the signup form that your second appointment will be the same time and place exactly N weeks after the first. If N = 3, they are using Pfizer. If N = 4, Moderna.
refurb 6y ago
Considering no ID was required to get a vaccine and the “proof” is nothing more than a date written on a card, I’m curious how they will enforce it.

neither_color 6y ago

Domestically that's the case but if you have(had) to travel abroad often for work or family reasons that won't be the case. I regularly(used to) visit and have family ties to a country that allows vaccine records in lieu of negative tests for entry. I'd say that's reasonable. https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-tourists-the-complete-list/ https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-...

void_mint 6y ago
Right, but are you seeing how allowing vaccine records in lieu of other documentation is not the same as requiring vaccination?
- neither_color 6y ago
  None of this has made sense for months I'm just going with the flow. We get x-ray scanned through our clothes every time we fly what's dignity? It's just another airport document as far as Im concerned.
  - void_mint 6y ago
    I'm sorry, I can't really tell how your comment is related to my comment? What does verifying that you took precaution to prevent the spread of covid have to do with dignity?
    - neither_color 6y ago
      My mistake. I misread your response as requiring one or the other being the same as forcing. Some people find having to show a negative test or vaccination record for international travel as invasive, and to them I'd say that the real violation of privacy happens at the TSA line.
ForHackernews 6y ago
You mean you'll have to fulfil certain legal requirements in order to be permitted entry to a foreign country? Surely that's unprecedented!