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The HTTP Archive tracks how the Web is built.

25 points by franze 15y ago

franze 15y ago
this chart is kinda depressing http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#flash http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#flash 48% of all (measured) pages - still - use flash....
- zrgiu 15y ago
  probably a pretty high percentage is caused by flash ads or other content pulled from 3rd parties
- trafficlight 15y ago
  I'm assuming mostly for advertising?
- benologist 15y ago
  There's nothing wrong with using Flash unless you happen to be on iPhone/iPad and let Jobs make decisions for you. The rest of the internet and mobile & tablet has an ok-to-great (and gradually improving) chance of being able to access that content. It's no less of a crime then javascript abuse [1], css abuse [2] and image abuse [3] - the other Flash charts show there's just 1.51 average flash files averaging a mere 60 kilobytes. The problem isn't Flash it's that anyone can create a page on the internet, so they do, and the results do any and every technology they use an injustice. But the flip side of that is it's also a big reason our startups exist. [1] http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostjs http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostjs average 131kb average js, sites with over a megabyte of js!! [2] http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostcss http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostcss sites with over 1/2 a meg of css (that's just wow) [3] http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostimages http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostimages average 51 images!!
  - zdw 15y ago
    "There's nothing wrong with using Flash unless you like your browser crashing, and also hate blind people or accessibility" - FTFY. People have many legitimate reasons to not like Flash other iOS. It's about technology that appears to be fundamentally broken, hasn't been fixed in years even though Adobe has poured money into it, still doesn't run ideally on non-windows platforms, and excludes people with disabilities.
    - benologist 15y ago
      Adobe sucks at performance, that's a given. But Flash isn't automagically inaccessible, just like HTML/CSS/JS you're given the means to make something accessible, but probably won't (esp for more complicated web apps and interfaces).
      - zdw 15y ago
        Unless your site is pictures of text (cough Amazon front page any time an announcement is made cough) a screen reader will be able to pick up the majority of the content. In that way, HTML is pretty much accessible by default Flash, to a screen reader, is just as opaque as a picture, unless extra steps are made to enable screen readers.
  - ltamake 15y ago
    Flash is a huge problem. My biggest pet peeve is when people use Flash where it's not needed, like menus and logos that can be done using JS or HTML5. I downright refuse to use Flash in the sites I design. It's too much bloat for the user and it's unstable in some browsers. And yes, iOS doesn't have Flash. But after trying Flash on an Android tablet and phone, I'm glad my iPad doesn't have Flash. The animations are slow, jerky, and don't even work properly in some cases. If I want to play a Flash animation, I'll use iSwifter or my laptop.
  - mtogo 15y ago
    | There's nothing wrong with using Flash If you look past how proprietary it is, the constant stream of security vulnerabilities, the lack of half decent x64 support, the privacy issues, the incredibly poor mobile experience (yes, even on Android), and it's performance, then yeah-- it's great.
    - benologist 15y ago
      Those are all perfectly valid complaints, but they largely apply to the entire history of every web browser too! I'm not for a second arguing that Adobe don't suck, they are amazingly good at never quite reaching their potential but even if they always fall short they do enable some awesome stuff.
- zdw 15y ago
  I wonder how much of the percentage given is for ad networks. I'd love to see how many "all flash sites" are out there, where there's no content other than a huge flash animation, or as I call them "Sites that hate blind people or anyone with accessibility issues".

25 points by franze 15y ago

this chart is kinda depressing http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#flash http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#flash 48% of all (measured) pages - still - use flash....

zrgiu 15y ago
probably a pretty high percentage is caused by flash ads or other content pulled from 3rd parties
trafficlight 15y ago
I'm assuming mostly for advertising?
benologist 15y ago
There's nothing wrong with using Flash unless you happen to be on iPhone/iPad and let Jobs make decisions for you. The rest of the internet and mobile & tablet has an ok-to-great (and gradually improving) chance of being able to access that content. It's no less of a crime then javascript abuse [1], css abuse [2] and image abuse [3] - the other Flash charts show there's just 1.51 average flash files averaging a mere 60 kilobytes. The problem isn't Flash it's that anyone can create a page on the internet, so they do, and the results do any and every technology they use an injustice. But the flip side of that is it's also a big reason our startups exist. [1] http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostjs http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostjs average 131kb average js, sites with over a megabyte of js!! [2] http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostcss http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostcss sites with over 1/2 a meg of css (that's just wow) [3] http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostimages http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#mostimages average 51 images!!
- zdw 15y ago
  "There's nothing wrong with using Flash unless you like your browser crashing, and also hate blind people or accessibility" - FTFY. People have many legitimate reasons to not like Flash other iOS. It's about technology that appears to be fundamentally broken, hasn't been fixed in years even though Adobe has poured money into it, still doesn't run ideally on non-windows platforms, and excludes people with disabilities.
  - benologist 15y ago
    Adobe sucks at performance, that's a given. But Flash isn't automagically inaccessible, just like HTML/CSS/JS you're given the means to make something accessible, but probably won't (esp for more complicated web apps and interfaces).
    - zdw 15y ago
      Unless your site is pictures of text (cough Amazon front page any time an announcement is made cough) a screen reader will be able to pick up the majority of the content. In that way, HTML is pretty much accessible by default Flash, to a screen reader, is just as opaque as a picture, unless extra steps are made to enable screen readers.
- ltamake 15y ago
  Flash is a huge problem. My biggest pet peeve is when people use Flash where it's not needed, like menus and logos that can be done using JS or HTML5. I downright refuse to use Flash in the sites I design. It's too much bloat for the user and it's unstable in some browsers. And yes, iOS doesn't have Flash. But after trying Flash on an Android tablet and phone, I'm glad my iPad doesn't have Flash. The animations are slow, jerky, and don't even work properly in some cases. If I want to play a Flash animation, I'll use iSwifter or my laptop.
- mtogo 15y ago
  | There's nothing wrong with using Flash If you look past how proprietary it is, the constant stream of security vulnerabilities, the lack of half decent x64 support, the privacy issues, the incredibly poor mobile experience (yes, even on Android), and it's performance, then yeah-- it's great.
  - benologist 15y ago
    Those are all perfectly valid complaints, but they largely apply to the entire history of every web browser too! I'm not for a second arguing that Adobe don't suck, they are amazingly good at never quite reaching their potential but even if they always fall short they do enable some awesome stuff.
zdw 15y ago
I wonder how much of the percentage given is for ad networks. I'd love to see how many "all flash sites" are out there, where there's no content other than a huge flash animation, or as I call them "Sites that hate blind people or anyone with accessibility issues".