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the autopsy report said he had a heart failure "complicating" restraint. When asked to clarify coroner said he meant in medical sense, as in "heart failure com

the autopsy report said he had a heart failure "complicating" restraint. When asked to clarify coroner said he meant in medical sense, as in "heart failure complicating leg surgery", i.e. his death was not expected from restraint itself

JohnBooty 5y ago
In the U.S., it's still murder and/or manslaughter (depends on jurisdiction) if you physically assault somebody and they die as a result, even if your physical assault was not the sole reason they died. I'm not even making a moral argument here. That's the letter of the law. (Again, laws vary by state)
- andyxor 5y ago
  there was no assault though, but reasonable use of force according to MPD police training materials presented in court. In fact they could have escalated it at least two levels to more restricted prone position and use of taser, but they didn't, and called an ambulance several times to expedite it.
  - odonnellryan 5y ago
    The policy of a police department does not supercede the law.
    - andyxor 5y ago
      according to the law use of force by police is authorized when effecting a lawful arrest. this case will go to appeal and possibly the supreme court, as there was significant interference with the jury by the media, and even US representatives calling for violence on the streets to intimidate the jurors.
      - Viliam1234 5y ago
        Somehow, millions of policemen across the world are able to understand "use of force" in a different way than kneeling on someone's neck. The murder-cop himself was probably able to understand it differently on a different day.
        andyxor 5y ago
        neck restraint is standard use of force noone dies from back of the neck pressure unless there is physical damage and none was detected, not to his skin, nor deep tissues based on autopsy report, there was not enough pressure to cause suffocation GF died from fentanyl overdose and sick heart which could't handle him resisting arrest for so long
        JohnBooty 5y ago
        holy shit dude stop
        andyxor 5y ago
        do you have any evidence to believe otherwise? I watched the entire trial and the state failed to prove Chauvin's guilt without a reasonable doubt. The jury was obviously intimidated by the mob, let's hope for appeal and supreme court having enough sense to overturn this bs verdict.

JohnBooty 5y ago

In the U.S., it's still murder and/or manslaughter (depends on jurisdiction) if you physically assault somebody and they die as a result, even if your physical assault was not the sole reason they died. I'm not even making a moral argument here. That's the letter of the law. (Again, laws vary by state)

andyxor 5y ago
there was no assault though, but reasonable use of force according to MPD police training materials presented in court. In fact they could have escalated it at least two levels to more restricted prone position and use of taser, but they didn't, and called an ambulance several times to expedite it.
- odonnellryan 5y ago
  The policy of a police department does not supercede the law.
  - andyxor 5y ago
    according to the law use of force by police is authorized when effecting a lawful arrest. this case will go to appeal and possibly the supreme court, as there was significant interference with the jury by the media, and even US representatives calling for violence on the streets to intimidate the jurors.
    - Viliam1234 5y ago
      Somehow, millions of policemen across the world are able to understand "use of force" in a different way than kneeling on someone's neck. The murder-cop himself was probably able to understand it differently on a different day.
      - andyxor 5y ago
        neck restraint is standard use of force noone dies from back of the neck pressure unless there is physical damage and none was detected, not to his skin, nor deep tissues based on autopsy report, there was not enough pressure to cause suffocation GF died from fentanyl overdose and sick heart which could't handle him resisting arrest for so long
        JohnBooty 5y ago
        holy shit dude stop
        andyxor 5y ago
        do you have any evidence to believe otherwise? I watched the entire trial and the state failed to prove Chauvin's guilt without a reasonable doubt. The jury was obviously intimidated by the mob, let's hope for appeal and supreme court having enough sense to overturn this bs verdict.