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I didn't 'take the bait', what you're doing is gaslighting. It's not that I'm a 'snowflake' or 'I don't understand chan humor', what they're doing is actually

I didn't 'take the bait', what you're doing is gaslighting. It's not that I'm a 'snowflake' or 'I don't understand chan humor', what they're doing is actually fucked up and dangerous even if they justify it as 'trolling' or 'irony' that should be ignored. There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. I don't give a damn if they're posting that 'ironically', there is nothing normal about that type of constant, obsessive 'joking' about mass murder behavior to that degree, and repeating those things so much can lead to people truly becoming obsessed with those ideas, then justifying and actually carrying those actions out (like the Christchurch racial terror attack).

filoleg 5y ago
Never called you a snowflake, but your whole framing of the situation reads exactly like what a journo would write while lacking any semblance of understanding of the source material beyond just the surface level. >what you're doing is gaslighting How does me saying that the 4chan isn't as white-dominated as you say it is (with a hard proof, given that you can literally take a look at pictures from irl meetups from both 4chan and reddit, and then compare yourself) count as gaslighting? >There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. Will it make you feel better, if I told you that you can go and see those threads in many directions, including Indian-poster threads getting into extermination-tier shitfights with Paki and Israeli posters, as well as threads where Italians and Polacks call for mutual genocide? And let's not forget the asian continent shitfight threads, where there is an eternal argument between Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean posters trying to prove to each other who should've genocided whom at which point in history, with occasional oil being poured into the dumpster fire by Vietnamese and Indonesian posters. The board isn't pre-occupied with racial extermination. It is pre-occupied with edgy content that you cannot find elsewhere. Given that knowledge, it is understandable why most of it ends up being just wild trash. But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere.
- solosoyokaze 5y ago
  > But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere. Can you give an example of a gem? I've only seen the racist trash side (that's certainly what's on the board as of right now).
  - fighterpilot 5y ago
    I know there was a correct math proof to a novel and nontrivial problem that was put there by some anonymous user (probably not in pol but in 4chan). Forgot details of it
    - setr 5y ago
      It was /a/, the anime board, of all places https://mathsci.fandom.com/wiki/The_Haruhi_Problem https://mathsci.fandom.com/wiki/The_Haruhi_Problem
      - cygx 5y ago
        /sci/, actually - cf https://web.archive.org/web/20181024190314/https://warosu.org/sci/thread/3751105 https://web.archive.org/web/20181024190314/https://warosu.or...
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  - filoleg 5y ago
    Well, for just a singular example from /pol/ (since it isn't a board I frequent much at all given the super low signal-to-noise ratio, I prefer more hobby-specific boards, such as /o/ for car-motorcycle discussions and /mu/ for music-related stuff), people there were looking into and brought upon pedophilic allegations against Peter Bright years before he got actually charged with those (which actually happened just last year[0]). Mind you, not claiming that 4chan had anything to do with the guy getting eventually caught. But the fact that they had those allegations with basic reasoning and evidence before there was even a whiff of it in public is definitely something. Or when they had "journalists" from big publications trying to go there and interview people on the boards, they got fed so much misleading and obviously bs info on purpose before being chased away, it was definitely entertaining to observe. Especially given how obvious it was that the "journalists" in question came in there with a very specific narrative in mind already, and it all got crumbled pretty much in real time. Not even mentioning stuff like a solution to a novel math problem (which other commenters have already mentioned), which ended up being cited and is relevant to actual ongoing research in a specific math area.[1] Do those things count as "gems"? That's purely subjective. But that's the kind of stuff I personally appreciate seeing there. 0. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-journalist-convicted-trial-attempted-child-enticement https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-journalist-convi... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpermutation#Lower_bounds,_or_the_Haruhi_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpermutation#Lower_bounds,...
okareaman 5y ago
Do you understand the concept of a "containment board"? Because that's basically what 4chan is. Everyone there is aware that "3 letter" agencies are monitoring. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Containment%20Board https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Containment%...
- HKH2 5y ago
  Do you mean that's what /pol/ is?
seriousquestion 5y ago
Not recognizing it as trolling and intentional agitation makes it more dangerous. You are taking the bait as the Christchurch shooter intended; One of the goals of his bloodshed, he wrote, was to “agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result.” He said he wanted to “incite violence, retaliation and further divide.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-gunman-christchurch.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-gu...
- krainboltgreene 5y ago
  > Not recognizing it as trolling and intentional agitation makes it more dangerous. I mean this is just flagrantly wrong.
  - hda2 5y ago
    How so?

filoleg 5y ago

Never called you a snowflake, but your whole framing of the situation reads exactly like what a journo would write while lacking any semblance of understanding of the source material beyond just the surface level. >what you're doing is gaslighting How does me saying that the 4chan isn't as white-dominated as you say it is (with a hard proof, given that you can literally take a look at pictures from irl meetups from both 4chan and reddit, and then compare yourself) count as gaslighting? >There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. Will it make you feel better, if I told you that you can go and see those threads in many directions, including Indian-poster threads getting into extermination-tier shitfights with Paki and Israeli posters, as well as threads where Italians and Polacks call for mutual genocide? And let's not forget the asian continent shitfight threads, where there is an eternal argument between Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean posters trying to prove to each other who should've genocided whom at which point in history, with occasional oil being poured into the dumpster fire by Vietnamese and Indonesian posters. The board isn't pre-occupied with racial extermination. It is pre-occupied with edgy content that you cannot find elsewhere. Given that knowledge, it is understandable why most of it ends up being just wild trash. But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere.

solosoyokaze 5y ago
> But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere. Can you give an example of a gem? I've only seen the racist trash side (that's certainly what's on the board as of right now).
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  I know there was a correct math proof to a novel and nontrivial problem that was put there by some anonymous user (probably not in pol but in 4chan). Forgot details of it
  - setr 5y ago
    It was /a/, the anime board, of all places https://mathsci.fandom.com/wiki/The_Haruhi_Problem https://mathsci.fandom.com/wiki/The_Haruhi_Problem
    - cygx 5y ago
      /sci/, actually - cf https://web.archive.org/web/20181024190314/https://warosu.org/sci/thread/3751105 https://web.archive.org/web/20181024190314/https://warosu.or...
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- filoleg 5y ago
  Well, for just a singular example from /pol/ (since it isn't a board I frequent much at all given the super low signal-to-noise ratio, I prefer more hobby-specific boards, such as /o/ for car-motorcycle discussions and /mu/ for music-related stuff), people there were looking into and brought upon pedophilic allegations against Peter Bright years before he got actually charged with those (which actually happened just last year[0]). Mind you, not claiming that 4chan had anything to do with the guy getting eventually caught. But the fact that they had those allegations with basic reasoning and evidence before there was even a whiff of it in public is definitely something. Or when they had "journalists" from big publications trying to go there and interview people on the boards, they got fed so much misleading and obviously bs info on purpose before being chased away, it was definitely entertaining to observe. Especially given how obvious it was that the "journalists" in question came in there with a very specific narrative in mind already, and it all got crumbled pretty much in real time. Not even mentioning stuff like a solution to a novel math problem (which other commenters have already mentioned), which ended up being cited and is relevant to actual ongoing research in a specific math area.[1] Do those things count as "gems"? That's purely subjective. But that's the kind of stuff I personally appreciate seeing there. 0. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-journalist-convicted-trial-attempted-child-enticement https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-journalist-convi... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpermutation#Lower_bounds,_or_the_Haruhi_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpermutation#Lower_bounds,...

okareaman 5y ago

Do you understand the concept of a "containment board"? Because that's basically what 4chan is. Everyone there is aware that "3 letter" agencies are monitoring. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Containment%20Board https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Containment%...

HKH2 5y ago
Do you mean that's what /pol/ is?

seriousquestion 5y ago

Not recognizing it as trolling and intentional agitation makes it more dangerous. You are taking the bait as the Christchurch shooter intended; One of the goals of his bloodshed, he wrote, was to “agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result.” He said he wanted to “incite violence, retaliation and further divide.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-gunman-christchurch.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-gu...

krainboltgreene 5y ago
> Not recognizing it as trolling and intentional agitation makes it more dangerous. I mean this is just flagrantly wrong.
- hda2 5y ago
  How so?