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Cops aren't allowed to murder people on sight -- "junkie" or otherwise. Never understood why people seem to think this is a compelling argument.

jrsj 5y ago
There is an argument being made by many on the right that the overdose was his actual cause of death because he spoke of not being able to breath etc before he was restrained & had a large amount of fentanyl in his system. That being said, the initial autopsy said this was only one factor and most people with this view are misreading that autopsy, which still stated the primary cause of death was compression of the neck.
- illiilliiililil 5y ago
  Why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car?
  - jrsj 5y ago
    I’m in no way a medical expert but probably the fentanyl, or a combination of that & panic.
  - andyxor 5y ago
    'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest, he swallowed his entire stash of drugs to avoid going to jail to make matters worse he had severe hypertension and was hospitalized in 2019 during similar arrest with BP of 210 on 130, his heart just couldn't handle it this time
    - rualca 5y ago
      > 'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest (...) Does that "exertion" include a grown man kneeling on your neck while you repeatedly and desperately tell him that the knee on his neck is stopping him from breeding? Because, even taking that claim at face value, it's pretty clear that removing the risk factor of having a grown police officer kneeling on your back and neck in a way that's stopping you from breeding would be something that did wonders to your ability to continue breeding and not die. Enough with this bullshit whitewashing of a brutal police murder.
      - andyxor 5y ago
        the parent comment asked "why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car" noone was kneeling on him in the back of the car if you watch the full footage there are 16 min of body camera footage before the viral video with Chauvin started, check it out
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        rualca 5y ago
        > the parent comment asked "why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car" Did George Floyd died in the back of the car? Or did he died after the police officer spent over 8 minutes kneeling on his neck until and after he lost conciousness? Enough with this bullshit. It's absurd how these mental gymnasts try to inflate the relevance of trace amounts of a recreational drug as a smoking gun, which mind you was already thoroughly ruled out, but having a grown man kneeling on your neck for over 8 minutes after until the very moment the person dies is somehow worth no consideration?
        andyxor 5y ago
        neck restraint is standard use of force. noone can be suffocated via back of the neck pressure unless there is significant tissue damage and broken bones or something indicating severely restricted airflow, and no damage whatsoever was found neither in his skin, nor deep tissue, nor bones of his neck. based on expert testimony and autopsy report he died from cardiac arrhythmia caused by drug overdose and exertion from resisting arrest which his sick heart just couldn't handle. He might have survived only if he didn't swallow his entire stash of fentanyl & meth to avoid jail and vigorously resist arrest, but unfortunately he did. This politicized case will be thrown out on appeal, as jury was obviously intimidated by mobs on the streets and politicians like Rep. Waters calling for violence in case of non-guilty verdict. One of the alternate jurors actually admitted it in recent interview, that they were scared to go against the mob "verdict".
- andyxor 5y ago
  the autopsy report said he had a heart failure "complicating" restraint. When asked to clarify coroner said he meant in medical sense, as in "heart failure complicating leg surgery", i.e. his death was not expected from restraint itself
  - JohnBooty 5y ago
    In the U.S., it's still murder and/or manslaughter (depends on jurisdiction) if you physically assault somebody and they die as a result, even if your physical assault was not the sole reason they died. I'm not even making a moral argument here. That's the letter of the law. (Again, laws vary by state)
    - andyxor 5y ago
      there was no assault though, but reasonable use of force according to MPD police training materials presented in court. In fact they could have escalated it at least two levels to more restricted prone position and use of taser, but they didn't, and called an ambulance several times to expedite it.
      - odonnellryan 5y ago
        The policy of a police department does not supercede the law.
        andyxor 5y ago
        according to the law use of force by police is authorized when effecting a lawful arrest. this case will go to appeal and possibly the supreme court, as there was significant interference with the jury by the media, and even US representatives calling for violence on the streets to intimidate the jurors.
        Viliam1234 5y ago
        Somehow, millions of policemen across the world are able to understand "use of force" in a different way than kneeling on someone's neck. The murder-cop himself was probably able to understand it differently on a different day.
- rualca 5y ago
  > (...) & had a large amount of fentanyl in his system. This bullshit conspiracy theory should die already. George Floyd had less fentanyl in his system at time of death than over 75% of the people that the police examined during routine DUI cases taken when were alive and not dead due to fentanyl overdose. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/16/fact-check-fentanyl-george-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/16/fact... Those parroting the fentanyl conspiracy theory are desperately grasping at straws to try to justify their irrational beliefs.
andyxor 5y ago
he had like 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl besides having a sick heart, it's in his coroner report.

jrsj 5y ago

There is an argument being made by many on the right that the overdose was his actual cause of death because he spoke of not being able to breath etc before he was restrained & had a large amount of fentanyl in his system. That being said, the initial autopsy said this was only one factor and most people with this view are misreading that autopsy, which still stated the primary cause of death was compression of the neck.

illiilliiililil 5y ago
Why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car?
- jrsj 5y ago
  I’m in no way a medical expert but probably the fentanyl, or a combination of that & panic.
- andyxor 5y ago
  'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest, he swallowed his entire stash of drugs to avoid going to jail to make matters worse he had severe hypertension and was hospitalized in 2019 during similar arrest with BP of 210 on 130, his heart just couldn't handle it this time
  - rualca 5y ago
    > 'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest (...) Does that "exertion" include a grown man kneeling on your neck while you repeatedly and desperately tell him that the knee on his neck is stopping him from breeding? Because, even taking that claim at face value, it's pretty clear that removing the risk factor of having a grown police officer kneeling on your back and neck in a way that's stopping you from breeding would be something that did wonders to your ability to continue breeding and not die. Enough with this bullshit whitewashing of a brutal police murder.
    - andyxor 5y ago
      the parent comment asked "why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car" noone was kneeling on him in the back of the car if you watch the full footage there are 16 min of body camera footage before the viral video with Chauvin started, check it out
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - rualca 5y ago
        > the parent comment asked "why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car" Did George Floyd died in the back of the car? Or did he died after the police officer spent over 8 minutes kneeling on his neck until and after he lost conciousness? Enough with this bullshit. It's absurd how these mental gymnasts try to inflate the relevance of trace amounts of a recreational drug as a smoking gun, which mind you was already thoroughly ruled out, but having a grown man kneeling on your neck for over 8 minutes after until the very moment the person dies is somehow worth no consideration?
        andyxor 5y ago
        neck restraint is standard use of force. noone can be suffocated via back of the neck pressure unless there is significant tissue damage and broken bones or something indicating severely restricted airflow, and no damage whatsoever was found neither in his skin, nor deep tissue, nor bones of his neck. based on expert testimony and autopsy report he died from cardiac arrhythmia caused by drug overdose and exertion from resisting arrest which his sick heart just couldn't handle. He might have survived only if he didn't swallow his entire stash of fentanyl & meth to avoid jail and vigorously resist arrest, but unfortunately he did. This politicized case will be thrown out on appeal, as jury was obviously intimidated by mobs on the streets and politicians like Rep. Waters calling for violence in case of non-guilty verdict. One of the alternate jurors actually admitted it in recent interview, that they were scared to go against the mob "verdict".
andyxor 5y ago
the autopsy report said he had a heart failure "complicating" restraint. When asked to clarify coroner said he meant in medical sense, as in "heart failure complicating leg surgery", i.e. his death was not expected from restraint itself
- JohnBooty 5y ago
  In the U.S., it's still murder and/or manslaughter (depends on jurisdiction) if you physically assault somebody and they die as a result, even if your physical assault was not the sole reason they died. I'm not even making a moral argument here. That's the letter of the law. (Again, laws vary by state)
  - andyxor 5y ago
    there was no assault though, but reasonable use of force according to MPD police training materials presented in court. In fact they could have escalated it at least two levels to more restricted prone position and use of taser, but they didn't, and called an ambulance several times to expedite it.
    - odonnellryan 5y ago
      The policy of a police department does not supercede the law.
      - andyxor 5y ago
        according to the law use of force by police is authorized when effecting a lawful arrest. this case will go to appeal and possibly the supreme court, as there was significant interference with the jury by the media, and even US representatives calling for violence on the streets to intimidate the jurors.
        Viliam1234 5y ago
        Somehow, millions of policemen across the world are able to understand "use of force" in a different way than kneeling on someone's neck. The murder-cop himself was probably able to understand it differently on a different day.
rualca 5y ago
> (...) & had a large amount of fentanyl in his system. This bullshit conspiracy theory should die already. George Floyd had less fentanyl in his system at time of death than over 75% of the people that the police examined during routine DUI cases taken when were alive and not dead due to fentanyl overdose. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/16/fact-check-fentanyl-george-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/16/fact... Those parroting the fentanyl conspiracy theory are desperately grasping at straws to try to justify their irrational beliefs.

andyxor 5y ago

he had like 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl besides having a sick heart, it's in his coroner report.