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In order list of threads from browsing /pol/ for people who want to know how 'diverse' it is without visiting: - Anti-vax - Anti-gay parents - Goose - Ben S

In order list of threads from browsing /pol/ for people who want to know how 'diverse' it is without visiting: - Anti-vax - Anti-gay parents - Goose - Ben Shapiro praise thread with a dash of anti-semitism and a whole lot of "i hope all ni**rs die" - Praising George Floyd mural vandalism - Anti-transgender - Praising white nationalism/white ethnostate - Praising 'national rape day' - Anti-Islam - Anti-race mixing - Illuminati - Celebrating police shooting blacks - British royals news - Anti-mask, anti-Biden - Silver - Anti-liberal white women as betrayers of the white race Keep in mind I just am reading the threads in order. This is not diverse at all. Maybe 'diverse' in the sense that these white supremacists are posting from across North America and Europe. This is almost all far right white supremacist and misogynist talking points (strong overlap between the 2), almost surely disproportionately posted by young white men.

andyxor 5y ago
/pol is awesome what are you talking about it has nothing to do with race, calling George Floyd an overdosed junkie is just stating the facts.
- the_benno 5y ago
  Cops aren't allowed to murder people on sight -- "junkie" or otherwise. Never understood why people seem to think this is a compelling argument.
  - jrsj 5y ago
    There is an argument being made by many on the right that the overdose was his actual cause of death because he spoke of not being able to breath etc before he was restrained & had a large amount of fentanyl in his system. That being said, the initial autopsy said this was only one factor and most people with this view are misreading that autopsy, which still stated the primary cause of death was compression of the neck.
    - illiilliiililil 5y ago
      Why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car?
      - jrsj 5y ago
        I’m in no way a medical expert but probably the fentanyl, or a combination of that & panic.
      - andyxor 5y ago
        'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest, he swallowed his entire stash of drugs to avoid going to jail to make matters worse he had severe hypertension and was hospitalized in 2019 during similar arrest with BP of 210 on 130, his heart just couldn't handle it this time
        rualca 5y ago
        > 'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest (...) Does that "exertion" include a grown man kneeling on your neck while you repeatedly and desperately tell him that the knee on his neck is stopping him from breeding? Because, even taking that claim at face value, it's pretty clear that removing the risk factor of having a grown police officer kneeling on your back and neck in a way that's stopping you from breeding would be something that did wonders to your ability to continue breeding and not die. Enough with this bullshit whitewashing of a brutal police murder.
        andyxor 5y ago
        the parent comment asked "why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car" noone was kneeling on him in the back of the car if you watch the full footage there are 16 min of body camera footage before the viral video with Chauvin started, check it out
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  - andyxor 5y ago
    he had like 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl besides having a sick heart, it's in his coroner report.
mschuster91 5y ago
There were better days, many years ago... eventually all not heavily moderated communities will suffer their version of Eternal September. Communities with no moderation at all sans removing child porn and copyrighted content (to avoid getting v8 by the feds) will always be overtaken sooner or later by the content you just listed because this sort of stuff gets driven out of communities that care about at least some decency. The exception proving the rule is r/worldpolitics, which has no rules per se but there's enough porn to drown out hate speech.
- JohnBooty 5y ago
  Agree 100% with every word you wrote. eventually all not heavily moderated communities will suffer their version of Eternal September. 4chan really is the ultimate example of what happens to unmoderated free speech zones. It really was better, once upon a time. Unfortunately, it's hard to cite 4chan as an example when talking about the merits of unrestricted free speech vs. moderation/curation since most people think it was always that bad.
iitqkzbjak 5y ago
Racism, gore, pedos, endless endless pornography... Yet when people mention that they visit 4chan, they talk about the 'very clever people posting there'. It's like mentioning that you regularly go paddling in your local river in order to collect tiny nuggets of gold, without mentioning that your local river is a flow of excrement, nuclear waste, and malignant psychopaths.
- factsaresacred 5y ago
  You could be describing Twitter.
- ggvvfdde 5y ago
  It's funny. I've been browsing 4chan all month and I havent seen any gore or pedos. Maybe a few leud pictures (less than 10). Maybe you should actually visit the site instead of just spreading misinformation.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    I took you up on that, and visited the technology interest area /g/ Post #1: Comment using the N word Post #2: Someone using "fag" to insult people who, presumably, use Arch linux. (The term was Archfags) Post #3: In response to something about headphones: "that deaf faggot [n-word]" So it's funny. I've been browsing 4chan for 5 minutes and couldn't avoid racism & homophobia in the very first things I saw. Maybe you should actually visit the site instead of just spreading misinformation.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      If you visit anonymous imageboards, it's because you want to be exposed to the widest possible spectrum of humanity. There's a bias towards being offensive simply because those things are not allowed to surface anywhere else. If you stick around despite that, you'll realize the site has a rather unique culture. Occasionally, you'll run into great stuff that could never be expressed in sites such as this one. You mentioned /g/ -- there is a daily programming thread on that board with a very long history. I've seen some really interesting projects posted there. Some even made their way here eventually. SerenityOS for example.
robot9000 5y ago
Maybe it's not diverse because people like you who hold opposing viewpoints are not interested in changing their opinion despite the fact that you can post just as much as they can without being judged for who you are. Is this something you have considered?
- pcbro141 5y ago
  I have never considered justifying the killing of all non-Whites, oppression of homosexuals and women, no. And I never will entertain any 'opinion' or argument in favor of such heinous crimes against humanity.
  - robot9000 5y ago
    I meant changing the opinion of the /pol/ users. Sorry for the confusion.
- electrondood 5y ago
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ggvvfdde 5y ago
The diversity pushed by academic institutions and tech companies is the same. They want people from different backgrounds and locations, that are all the same politically. If you disagree with a progressive policy, you get the boot. 4chan is the same. They accept anyone from all over the world. The majority of posters are foreign. If you disagree with their narrative or political ideals, they insult you and tell you to leave. Except on 4chan you don't get banned or your life ruined for disagreeing. It's an actual safe space for ideas. It's hilarious how similar they are.
vorpalhex 5y ago
Subcultures have shibboleths. In the same way WallStreetBets wasn't making fun of the mentally handicapped, it would be dangerous to take any chan at face value. Shibboleths exist to exclude people outside the subculture stereotype - and a good way of doing that is to be offensive. Some subcultures desire to remain as subcultures. Part of why shibboleths work is because we as a species tend to stop engaging rationally the moment we feel attacked - we switch to being defensive and actually entrench our own values further. The 4chan shibboleth attacks everyone. No matter who you are or how you identify you're going to be debased and mocked openly - that's kind of the point.
- pcbro141 5y ago
  > The 4chan shibboleth attacks everyone I see plenty of posts attacking and calling for the killing and complete extermination of non-Whites, Jews, homosexuals, and women all over the place but 0 posts attacking straight white males for being straight white males. Gee, I wonder why that is? I really wonder who is posting all these white nationalist talking points, it's truly a mystery. Could be anyone.
  - jth102099 5y ago
    Oh jeez, you weren't joking! I just visited there and I can't even believe that people write things like that. They should have their freedom of speech taken away.
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    People don't self identify as "Straight White Male", it's not really a good insult base. You want to insult their country of origin (Ireland, Canada), their hobbies (anime, weightlifting, smoking pot) or their inability to get laid. "White people have poor taste in food!" isn't very punchy, is it?
    - pcbro141 5y ago
      "British people have shitty food can't get laid" is kinda different from "all k*kes and ni**rs need to legit be exterminated", isn't it? They tell jokes about white ethnicities, but don't speak unironically, constantly, and at length about why whites should be racially exterminated like they do towards non-Whites, Jews, Muslims.
Anon1096 5y ago
There's plenty of other boards on 4chan where you can find people from all viewpoints posting. /cgl/ is well known to be majority female, and posters on /lit/ usually express center or left viewpoints. Even on /pol/, within a thread there will often be dissenters from the normal far-right average poster. Compared to other sites like Reddit where communities and posters with certain viewpoints are straight up banned, it's a breath of fresh air.
- deminature 5y ago
  The fact that posters have to engage with a contradictory post instead of just downvoting it as on reddit has always been the strongest suit of 4chan. It's a great foil to the tiresome hivemind-eyness and tendency for only 'approved' opinions to be allowed to flourish on reddit.
  - thujlife 5y ago
    4chan model will lead to a hivemind as well, once you scare off the general public. A circlejerk.
filoleg 5y ago
>almost surely disproportionately posted by young white men. Aside from the fact that you pretty much took the bait with /pol/ there, you should take a look at their irl meetups and compare them to average reddit meetups. You would be wildly surprised by how non-white the average 4chan meetups are.
- pcbro141 5y ago
  I didn't 'take the bait', what you're doing is gaslighting. It's not that I'm a 'snowflake' or 'I don't understand chan humor', what they're doing is actually fucked up and dangerous even if they justify it as 'trolling' or 'irony' that should be ignored. There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. I don't give a damn if they're posting that 'ironically', there is nothing normal about that type of constant, obsessive 'joking' about mass murder behavior to that degree, and repeating those things so much can lead to people truly becoming obsessed with those ideas, then justifying and actually carrying those actions out (like the Christchurch racial terror attack).
  - filoleg 5y ago
    Never called you a snowflake, but your whole framing of the situation reads exactly like what a journo would write while lacking any semblance of understanding of the source material beyond just the surface level. >what you're doing is gaslighting How does me saying that the 4chan isn't as white-dominated as you say it is (with a hard proof, given that you can literally take a look at pictures from irl meetups from both 4chan and reddit, and then compare yourself) count as gaslighting? >There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. Will it make you feel better, if I told you that you can go and see those threads in many directions, including Indian-poster threads getting into extermination-tier shitfights with Paki and Israeli posters, as well as threads where Italians and Polacks call for mutual genocide? And let's not forget the asian continent shitfight threads, where there is an eternal argument between Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean posters trying to prove to each other who should've genocided whom at which point in history, with occasional oil being poured into the dumpster fire by Vietnamese and Indonesian posters. The board isn't pre-occupied with racial extermination. It is pre-occupied with edgy content that you cannot find elsewhere. Given that knowledge, it is understandable why most of it ends up being just wild trash. But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere.
seriousquestion 5y ago
They are agitators and trolls, and you took the bait.
- solosoyokaze 5y ago
  Are the posters in this thread arguing that George Floyd was a junkie, trolls too? There is a ton of legitimate white supremacy here masked by "trolling". It's just a convenient cover, but the beliefs are authentically held.
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- pcbro141 5y ago
  The young white supremacists being radicalized online are taking the bait. The bait is this silly narrative that the reason they talk in depth and at length everyday about exterminating non-Whites is because it's elaborate "trolling" to own the libs, until they start sprinkling in enough "justification" and repetition to radicalize you into becoming a white supremacists. Sadly many young men are taking the bait and becoming radicalized online.
  - seriousquestion 5y ago
    You're echoing and embracing a narrative of fear. Tell me, is the white supremacy in the room with you now?
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      I know people in real life that got radicalized from /pol/. It is not a joke and it's not ironic, it's a real thing.
  - _prototype_ 5y ago
    You keep taking the bait. Stop being so emotional, jesus. Use logic
ineedasername 5y ago
I disagree: That is an extremely diverse selection of hatred, with the occasional inane entry.
- Blikkentrekker 5y ago
  It's not nearly as diverse of hatred that 4chan has to offer. /pol/ is a U.S.A. board that takes a firm single side in the U.S.A. culture war. Most 4chan boards are largely outside of it and the hatred one sees there does not align with any of the two factions in the U.S.A. culture war and the hatred that flows is indeed very diverse in that sense.
Zababa 5y ago
The board is called "politically incorrect" so of course that's what you'll find here. /pol/ is often referred as a "containement board", which means a board made so that people stop discussing certain topics in other boards while using the excuse that they don't have anywhere else to go. This way, other boards aren't polluted by things that people are fed up with. In some way it's a bit like a trashcan, once trash has a designated place to go, you can stop having trash laying around for no reasons. I honestly don't know the answer to complex questions such as "should this be allowed" or things like that, I'm just glad I can discuss other things in peace and know that political discussion elsewhere can be reported and will be deleted, or even have the user banned.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  /pol/ and /b/ are basically half of 4chan today. It's now less a trashcan are more like the country becoming a dumpster.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    Even if the country is half a dumpster, as long as it's well defined and doesn't leak too much into the rest, I think it's okay.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Well, in this case everywhere else it stinks at best. Even /lit/ is full of antisemitism nowadays.
Thorentis 5y ago
If you compare this list to the types of posts you see on Facebook/Twitter etc. then it's actually quite diverse. I'm not advocating for the good of those topics, but the argument against 4chan is usually "this should never be talked about anywhere". Credit where credit is due: 4chan contains discussions of topics you will not and cannot find on mainstream social media.
- krainboltgreene 5y ago
  > If you compare this list to the types of posts you see on Facebook/Twitter etc. then it's actually quite diverse. I have never seen this kind of content on Twitter or Facebook, in my own feeds or in trending topics. I would have to actively look. I have however seen a ton of real diverse content from a diverse group of people. This is a lie that where the intent is to downplay the white supremacist content.
  - Thorentis 5y ago
    I think you missed the point. Of course this stuff isn't on Facebook and Twitter. Which means the precence of 4chan actually increases the diversity of content on the Internet.
    - krainboltgreene 5y ago
      Having WS content does not "increase the diversity". It really fucking sucks that you're in my industry.
faeriechangling 5y ago
>White You would be surprised.
- krainboltgreene 5y ago
  No we wouldn't.
  - jqwizard 5y ago
    Making an alt account because I don't want to be misconstrued as 'supporting racism' or something. I did a quick search and it seems like 4chan is definitely not all white people. It may be majority white but I doubt it. Using the 4chan JSON API, I looked at the /pol/ and /int/ boards to see the range of countries posted. /int/ has posts from 99 unique countries. /pol/ has posts from 100 unique countries, but many of the 'countries' are just labels naming a specific flag, for example "LGBT". (Note that "White Supremacist" is literally a flag/label you can choose... But so are "Tree Hugger", "Anarchist", "Facist", "Hippie", and "Black Lives Matter".) I tried to make a pastebin but their filters didn't like the word "white supremacist" so here's the code instead: https://pastebin.com/9FhDM8Ch https://pastebin.com/9FhDM8Ch Given the list of countries, I'd say it is nearly impossible that most of these people are white. Some of these people are definitely using VPNs to change their country code, however it's also important to note that many VPNs are banned from posting without a 4chan Pass. They cannot all be VPNs. Without spending too much time on it, I found two pictures of /pol/ meetups online: https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_meetup_2017/ https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_mee... https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/b3ggfx/4chan_meetup/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/b3ggfx/4chan_m... (Trigger warning, the second picture shows Nazi symbolism.) In both pictures people of color are present, and in one picture white people make up 50% of the crowd. This doesn't make what /pol/ says OK and that I don't condone racist speech online, but it does suggest many of the comments in this thread are incorrect about 4chan's demographics. Ultimately we do not know what 4chan's demographics are. Why did I bother? For a few reasons: I like Chris Poole and to my knowledge, he's never supported bigotry directly, he just strongly believes in the value of online anonymity. It pains me to see people painting him as a racist. Nobody calls Jack Dorsey a racist when racist things are posted on Twitter. I also don't like it when people imply that people who post racist things must by default be white, or that white people are inherently racist, e.g. "4chan is a racist website so they must be all white". I also am quite interested in the topic of online moderation and how we can create spaces that allow for privacy/anonymity while curbing bad actors. For something else interesting on this topic, this paper is about white supremacy present on Twitter: https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/downloads/Nazis%20v.%20ISIS.pdf https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/downloa... Note that the paper is from 2016 and white supremacy is still in full-force on Twitter, and really any popular social media site.

andyxor 5y ago

/pol is awesome what are you talking about it has nothing to do with race, calling George Floyd an overdosed junkie is just stating the facts.

the_benno 5y ago
Cops aren't allowed to murder people on sight -- "junkie" or otherwise. Never understood why people seem to think this is a compelling argument.
- jrsj 5y ago
  There is an argument being made by many on the right that the overdose was his actual cause of death because he spoke of not being able to breath etc before he was restrained & had a large amount of fentanyl in his system. That being said, the initial autopsy said this was only one factor and most people with this view are misreading that autopsy, which still stated the primary cause of death was compression of the neck.
  - illiilliiililil 5y ago
    Why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car?
    - jrsj 5y ago
      I’m in no way a medical expert but probably the fentanyl, or a combination of that & panic.
    - andyxor 5y ago
      'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest, he swallowed his entire stash of drugs to avoid going to jail to make matters worse he had severe hypertension and was hospitalized in 2019 during similar arrest with BP of 210 on 130, his heart just couldn't handle it this time
      - rualca 5y ago
        > 'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest (...) Does that "exertion" include a grown man kneeling on your neck while you repeatedly and desperately tell him that the knee on his neck is stopping him from breeding? Because, even taking that claim at face value, it's pretty clear that removing the risk factor of having a grown police officer kneeling on your back and neck in a way that's stopping you from breeding would be something that did wonders to your ability to continue breeding and not die. Enough with this bullshit whitewashing of a brutal police murder.
        andyxor 5y ago
        the parent comment asked "why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car" noone was kneeling on him in the back of the car if you watch the full footage there are 16 min of body camera footage before the viral video with Chauvin started, check it out
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- andyxor 5y ago
  he had like 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl besides having a sick heart, it's in his coroner report.

mschuster91 5y ago

There were better days, many years ago... eventually all not heavily moderated communities will suffer their version of Eternal September. Communities with no moderation at all sans removing child porn and copyrighted content (to avoid getting v8 by the feds) will always be overtaken sooner or later by the content you just listed because this sort of stuff gets driven out of communities that care about at least some decency. The exception proving the rule is r/worldpolitics, which has no rules per se but there's enough porn to drown out hate speech.

JohnBooty 5y ago
Agree 100% with every word you wrote. eventually all not heavily moderated communities will suffer their version of Eternal September. 4chan really is the ultimate example of what happens to unmoderated free speech zones. It really was better, once upon a time. Unfortunately, it's hard to cite 4chan as an example when talking about the merits of unrestricted free speech vs. moderation/curation since most people think it was always that bad.

iitqkzbjak 5y ago

Racism, gore, pedos, endless endless pornography... Yet when people mention that they visit 4chan, they talk about the 'very clever people posting there'. It's like mentioning that you regularly go paddling in your local river in order to collect tiny nuggets of gold, without mentioning that your local river is a flow of excrement, nuclear waste, and malignant psychopaths.

factsaresacred 5y ago
You could be describing Twitter.
ggvvfdde 5y ago
It's funny. I've been browsing 4chan all month and I havent seen any gore or pedos. Maybe a few leud pictures (less than 10). Maybe you should actually visit the site instead of just spreading misinformation.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  I took you up on that, and visited the technology interest area /g/ Post #1: Comment using the N word Post #2: Someone using "fag" to insult people who, presumably, use Arch linux. (The term was Archfags) Post #3: In response to something about headphones: "that deaf faggot [n-word]" So it's funny. I've been browsing 4chan for 5 minutes and couldn't avoid racism & homophobia in the very first things I saw. Maybe you should actually visit the site instead of just spreading misinformation.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    If you visit anonymous imageboards, it's because you want to be exposed to the widest possible spectrum of humanity. There's a bias towards being offensive simply because those things are not allowed to surface anywhere else. If you stick around despite that, you'll realize the site has a rather unique culture. Occasionally, you'll run into great stuff that could never be expressed in sites such as this one. You mentioned /g/ -- there is a daily programming thread on that board with a very long history. I've seen some really interesting projects posted there. Some even made their way here eventually. SerenityOS for example.

robot9000 5y ago

Maybe it's not diverse because people like you who hold opposing viewpoints are not interested in changing their opinion despite the fact that you can post just as much as they can without being judged for who you are. Is this something you have considered?

pcbro141 5y ago
I have never considered justifying the killing of all non-Whites, oppression of homosexuals and women, no. And I never will entertain any 'opinion' or argument in favor of such heinous crimes against humanity.
- robot9000 5y ago
  I meant changing the opinion of the /pol/ users. Sorry for the confusion.
electrondood 5y ago
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  2 hours old now.

ggvvfdde 5y ago

The diversity pushed by academic institutions and tech companies is the same. They want people from different backgrounds and locations, that are all the same politically. If you disagree with a progressive policy, you get the boot. 4chan is the same. They accept anyone from all over the world. The majority of posters are foreign. If you disagree with their narrative or political ideals, they insult you and tell you to leave. Except on 4chan you don't get banned or your life ruined for disagreeing. It's an actual safe space for ideas. It's hilarious how similar they are.

vorpalhex 5y ago

Subcultures have shibboleths. In the same way WallStreetBets wasn't making fun of the mentally handicapped, it would be dangerous to take any chan at face value. Shibboleths exist to exclude people outside the subculture stereotype - and a good way of doing that is to be offensive. Some subcultures desire to remain as subcultures. Part of why shibboleths work is because we as a species tend to stop engaging rationally the moment we feel attacked - we switch to being defensive and actually entrench our own values further. The 4chan shibboleth attacks everyone. No matter who you are or how you identify you're going to be debased and mocked openly - that's kind of the point.

pcbro141 5y ago
> The 4chan shibboleth attacks everyone I see plenty of posts attacking and calling for the killing and complete extermination of non-Whites, Jews, homosexuals, and women all over the place but 0 posts attacking straight white males for being straight white males. Gee, I wonder why that is? I really wonder who is posting all these white nationalist talking points, it's truly a mystery. Could be anyone.
- jth102099 5y ago
  Oh jeez, you weren't joking! I just visited there and I can't even believe that people write things like that. They should have their freedom of speech taken away.
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  People don't self identify as "Straight White Male", it's not really a good insult base. You want to insult their country of origin (Ireland, Canada), their hobbies (anime, weightlifting, smoking pot) or their inability to get laid. "White people have poor taste in food!" isn't very punchy, is it?
  - pcbro141 5y ago
    "British people have shitty food can't get laid" is kinda different from "all k*kes and ni**rs need to legit be exterminated", isn't it? They tell jokes about white ethnicities, but don't speak unironically, constantly, and at length about why whites should be racially exterminated like they do towards non-Whites, Jews, Muslims.

Anon1096 5y ago

There's plenty of other boards on 4chan where you can find people from all viewpoints posting. /cgl/ is well known to be majority female, and posters on /lit/ usually express center or left viewpoints. Even on /pol/, within a thread there will often be dissenters from the normal far-right average poster. Compared to other sites like Reddit where communities and posters with certain viewpoints are straight up banned, it's a breath of fresh air.

deminature 5y ago
The fact that posters have to engage with a contradictory post instead of just downvoting it as on reddit has always been the strongest suit of 4chan. It's a great foil to the tiresome hivemind-eyness and tendency for only 'approved' opinions to be allowed to flourish on reddit.
- thujlife 5y ago
  4chan model will lead to a hivemind as well, once you scare off the general public. A circlejerk.

filoleg 5y ago

>almost surely disproportionately posted by young white men. Aside from the fact that you pretty much took the bait with /pol/ there, you should take a look at their irl meetups and compare them to average reddit meetups. You would be wildly surprised by how non-white the average 4chan meetups are.

pcbro141 5y ago
I didn't 'take the bait', what you're doing is gaslighting. It's not that I'm a 'snowflake' or 'I don't understand chan humor', what they're doing is actually fucked up and dangerous even if they justify it as 'trolling' or 'irony' that should be ignored. There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. I don't give a damn if they're posting that 'ironically', there is nothing normal about that type of constant, obsessive 'joking' about mass murder behavior to that degree, and repeating those things so much can lead to people truly becoming obsessed with those ideas, then justifying and actually carrying those actions out (like the Christchurch racial terror attack).
- filoleg 5y ago
  Never called you a snowflake, but your whole framing of the situation reads exactly like what a journo would write while lacking any semblance of understanding of the source material beyond just the surface level. >what you're doing is gaslighting How does me saying that the 4chan isn't as white-dominated as you say it is (with a hard proof, given that you can literally take a look at pictures from irl meetups from both 4chan and reddit, and then compare yourself) count as gaslighting? >There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation with calling for racial extermination. Will it make you feel better, if I told you that you can go and see those threads in many directions, including Indian-poster threads getting into extermination-tier shitfights with Paki and Israeli posters, as well as threads where Italians and Polacks call for mutual genocide? And let's not forget the asian continent shitfight threads, where there is an eternal argument between Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean posters trying to prove to each other who should've genocided whom at which point in history, with occasional oil being poured into the dumpster fire by Vietnamese and Indonesian posters. The board isn't pre-occupied with racial extermination. It is pre-occupied with edgy content that you cannot find elsewhere. Given that knowledge, it is understandable why most of it ends up being just wild trash. But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere.

seriousquestion 5y ago

They are agitators and trolls, and you took the bait.

solosoyokaze 5y ago
Are the posters in this thread arguing that George Floyd was a junkie, trolls too? There is a ton of legitimate white supremacy here masked by "trolling". It's just a convenient cover, but the beliefs are authentically held.
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pcbro141 5y ago
The young white supremacists being radicalized online are taking the bait. The bait is this silly narrative that the reason they talk in depth and at length everyday about exterminating non-Whites is because it's elaborate "trolling" to own the libs, until they start sprinkling in enough "justification" and repetition to radicalize you into becoming a white supremacists. Sadly many young men are taking the bait and becoming radicalized online.
- seriousquestion 5y ago
  You're echoing and embracing a narrative of fear. Tell me, is the white supremacy in the room with you now?
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    I know people in real life that got radicalized from /pol/. It is not a joke and it's not ironic, it's a real thing.
- _prototype_ 5y ago
  You keep taking the bait. Stop being so emotional, jesus. Use logic

ineedasername 5y ago

I disagree: That is an extremely diverse selection of hatred, with the occasional inane entry.

Blikkentrekker 5y ago
It's not nearly as diverse of hatred that 4chan has to offer. /pol/ is a U.S.A. board that takes a firm single side in the U.S.A. culture war. Most 4chan boards are largely outside of it and the hatred one sees there does not align with any of the two factions in the U.S.A. culture war and the hatred that flows is indeed very diverse in that sense.

Zababa 5y ago

The board is called "politically incorrect" so of course that's what you'll find here. /pol/ is often referred as a "containement board", which means a board made so that people stop discussing certain topics in other boards while using the excuse that they don't have anywhere else to go. This way, other boards aren't polluted by things that people are fed up with. In some way it's a bit like a trashcan, once trash has a designated place to go, you can stop having trash laying around for no reasons. I honestly don't know the answer to complex questions such as "should this be allowed" or things like that, I'm just glad I can discuss other things in peace and know that political discussion elsewhere can be reported and will be deleted, or even have the user banned.

sudosysgen 5y ago
/pol/ and /b/ are basically half of 4chan today. It's now less a trashcan are more like the country becoming a dumpster.
- Zababa 5y ago
  Even if the country is half a dumpster, as long as it's well defined and doesn't leak too much into the rest, I think it's okay.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Well, in this case everywhere else it stinks at best. Even /lit/ is full of antisemitism nowadays.

Thorentis 5y ago

If you compare this list to the types of posts you see on Facebook/Twitter etc. then it's actually quite diverse. I'm not advocating for the good of those topics, but the argument against 4chan is usually "this should never be talked about anywhere". Credit where credit is due: 4chan contains discussions of topics you will not and cannot find on mainstream social media.

krainboltgreene 5y ago
> If you compare this list to the types of posts you see on Facebook/Twitter etc. then it's actually quite diverse. I have never seen this kind of content on Twitter or Facebook, in my own feeds or in trending topics. I would have to actively look. I have however seen a ton of real diverse content from a diverse group of people. This is a lie that where the intent is to downplay the white supremacist content.
- Thorentis 5y ago
  I think you missed the point. Of course this stuff isn't on Facebook and Twitter. Which means the precence of 4chan actually increases the diversity of content on the Internet.
  - krainboltgreene 5y ago
    Having WS content does not "increase the diversity". It really fucking sucks that you're in my industry.

faeriechangling 5y ago

>White You would be surprised.

krainboltgreene 5y ago
No we wouldn't.
- jqwizard 5y ago
  Making an alt account because I don't want to be misconstrued as 'supporting racism' or something. I did a quick search and it seems like 4chan is definitely not all white people. It may be majority white but I doubt it. Using the 4chan JSON API, I looked at the /pol/ and /int/ boards to see the range of countries posted. /int/ has posts from 99 unique countries. /pol/ has posts from 100 unique countries, but many of the 'countries' are just labels naming a specific flag, for example "LGBT". (Note that "White Supremacist" is literally a flag/label you can choose... But so are "Tree Hugger", "Anarchist", "Facist", "Hippie", and "Black Lives Matter".) I tried to make a pastebin but their filters didn't like the word "white supremacist" so here's the code instead: https://pastebin.com/9FhDM8Ch https://pastebin.com/9FhDM8Ch Given the list of countries, I'd say it is nearly impossible that most of these people are white. Some of these people are definitely using VPNs to change their country code, however it's also important to note that many VPNs are banned from posting without a 4chan Pass. They cannot all be VPNs. Without spending too much time on it, I found two pictures of /pol/ meetups online: https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_meetup_2017/ https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_mee... https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/b3ggfx/4chan_meetup/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/b3ggfx/4chan_m... (Trigger warning, the second picture shows Nazi symbolism.) In both pictures people of color are present, and in one picture white people make up 50% of the crowd. This doesn't make what /pol/ says OK and that I don't condone racist speech online, but it does suggest many of the comments in this thread are incorrect about 4chan's demographics. Ultimately we do not know what 4chan's demographics are. Why did I bother? For a few reasons: I like Chris Poole and to my knowledge, he's never supported bigotry directly, he just strongly believes in the value of online anonymity. It pains me to see people painting him as a racist. Nobody calls Jack Dorsey a racist when racist things are posted on Twitter. I also don't like it when people imply that people who post racist things must by default be white, or that white people are inherently racist, e.g. "4chan is a racist website so they must be all white". I also am quite interested in the topic of online moderation and how we can create spaces that allow for privacy/anonymity while curbing bad actors. For something else interesting on this topic, this paper is about white supremacy present on Twitter: https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/downloads/Nazis%20v.%20ISIS.pdf https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/downloa... Note that the paper is from 2016 and white supremacy is still in full-force on Twitter, and really any popular social media site.