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A used Premier Bolt with DC quick charging is a good compromise here. The car software is well done, and while it isn't updated often that just means you can e

A used Premier Bolt with DC quick charging is a good compromise here. The car software is well done, and while it isn't updated often that just means you can expect less bugs than Tesla's constantly updated software. Downsides to the Bolt include OnStar, 3rd party quick chargers are often broken, and their app is absolute garbage. Other than that I think ~$15k for 200+ miles is amazing.

CameronNemo 5y ago
What I don't think people understand is how quick these batteries can be charged. It is a plug in, get lunch, go to the bathroom, maybe stretch a bit, and get back on the road type of deal. How long does somebody really want to be driving/sitting in a car non-stop?
- LeegleechN 5y ago
  If your list includes "get lunch" it's not a quick charge. A 1 hour charge time can be planned around but it is still quite constraining.
  - CameronNemo 5y ago
    Meh. If I am driving several hundred miles in a fraction of a day, I am going to be patient and grateful. Doing that on a bike, on horseback, or on foot would be absolutely grueling and take several days or weeks.
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  - dreamcompiler 5y ago
    I always stop for lunch on long car trips. Sometimes I grab a snack at a gas station but I prefer a sit-down meal as a break from driving. That takes about an hour. Now in my EV, I still stop for lunch; I just do so where there's a Supercharger nearby. The only downside is that a Supercharger fillup only takes about 20 minutes and Tesla will start billing me if the car is full and taking up a parking place too long, so sometimes I have to dash out of the restaurant and move the car in the middle of lunch. The solution I've found for this problem is to grab lunch first, then go recharge at the Supercharger and sit in the comfortable climate-controlled car and either have a post-lunch quicknap or watch Netflix for 20 minutes.
- idiotsecant 5y ago
  Just because you can doesn't mean you should. DC high current charging is pretty rough on the expected lifetime of that pack.
  - dreamcompiler 5y ago
    The damage caused by DC charging is not huge. If you supercharged your car every day in lieu of home charging (i.e. because you can't home charge), then the effect is bigger, but Tesla superchargers (can't speak for the others) are very careful about how much charge they dump into the battery at any particular instant given the battery's current state of charge, temperature, age, etc. They do this specifically to preserve the health of the battery. https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/ https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/
- notyourday 5y ago
  > What I don't think people understand is how quick these batteries can be charged. It is a plug in, get lunch, go to the bathroom, maybe stretch a bit, and get back on the road type of deal. I'm guessing you have never been at a busy highway gas station? It is not uncommon to wait for 10-20 minutes at a 20 pump station on a turnpike where cars gas up in 3-4 minutes. Until the charging infrastructure is done to at least half of the current gas stations level mass adoption of EV is a pipe dream.
- frosted-flakes 5y ago
  10-14 hours per day for a road trip is typical for me, with a single 5 minute re-fueling stop each day.

CameronNemo 5y ago

What I don't think people understand is how quick these batteries can be charged. It is a plug in, get lunch, go to the bathroom, maybe stretch a bit, and get back on the road type of deal. How long does somebody really want to be driving/sitting in a car non-stop?

LeegleechN 5y ago
If your list includes "get lunch" it's not a quick charge. A 1 hour charge time can be planned around but it is still quite constraining.
- CameronNemo 5y ago
  Meh. If I am driving several hundred miles in a fraction of a day, I am going to be patient and grateful. Doing that on a bike, on horseback, or on foot would be absolutely grueling and take several days or weeks.
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- dreamcompiler 5y ago
  I always stop for lunch on long car trips. Sometimes I grab a snack at a gas station but I prefer a sit-down meal as a break from driving. That takes about an hour. Now in my EV, I still stop for lunch; I just do so where there's a Supercharger nearby. The only downside is that a Supercharger fillup only takes about 20 minutes and Tesla will start billing me if the car is full and taking up a parking place too long, so sometimes I have to dash out of the restaurant and move the car in the middle of lunch. The solution I've found for this problem is to grab lunch first, then go recharge at the Supercharger and sit in the comfortable climate-controlled car and either have a post-lunch quicknap or watch Netflix for 20 minutes.
idiotsecant 5y ago
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. DC high current charging is pretty rough on the expected lifetime of that pack.
- dreamcompiler 5y ago
  The damage caused by DC charging is not huge. If you supercharged your car every day in lieu of home charging (i.e. because you can't home charge), then the effect is bigger, but Tesla superchargers (can't speak for the others) are very careful about how much charge they dump into the battery at any particular instant given the battery's current state of charge, temperature, age, etc. They do this specifically to preserve the health of the battery. https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/ https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/
notyourday 5y ago
> What I don't think people understand is how quick these batteries can be charged. It is a plug in, get lunch, go to the bathroom, maybe stretch a bit, and get back on the road type of deal. I'm guessing you have never been at a busy highway gas station? It is not uncommon to wait for 10-20 minutes at a 20 pump station on a turnpike where cars gas up in 3-4 minutes. Until the charging infrastructure is done to at least half of the current gas stations level mass adoption of EV is a pipe dream.
frosted-flakes 5y ago
10-14 hours per day for a road trip is typical for me, with a single 5 minute re-fueling stop each day.