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I don't think that tracks. Australia, New Zealand, and several countries in east Asia enacted strict lockdown measures and their populations fared better than t

I don't think that tracks. Australia, New Zealand, and several countries in east Asia enacted strict lockdown measures and their populations fared better than the US's by basically every metric except a nebulous notion of having the "freedom" to spread an infectious disease. And - this should be obvious but you never know - a massive, uncontrolled pandemic also paralyzes the economy. As for Texas and Florida, I'd love to see some more details on how you're comparing them to other states. It seems like there are a lot of variables you would need to control for (population age and lifestyle, existing healthcare infrastructure, voluntary compliance with guidelines exclusive of legal requirement, etc.). But suffice to say, Florida is in pretty bad shape right now relative to the rest of the U.S., so I'm not sure it makes a good example for your argument.

coldcode 6y ago
Florida did better than 17 countries per deaths, but of course it's only a state. Not much to brag about. None of us here really believe any official state data either. A lot of people come to Florida, stay for a while, and then leave before they get sick, so it is hard to know how bad it was/is. My area had effective mayors who enforced policies, checked businesses, and spent a lot of energy in keeping people safer, and we did much better than many parts of the state where no one cared. Mask use everywhere I go is high which I think is the biggest measure of what works. There are parts of Florida where no one wears a mask or cares to do anything. I always wanted to see per capita cases/deaths per zip code or even voting district, but no one does that.