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I'd be ok with a default deny, but it should be an option for those that want it.

kevincox 5y ago
Exactly. I think it should be default deny for native apps too. But there are a few websites and apps where the notifications are useful.
falcolas 5y ago
If push notifications are that important for your app, take the short amount of time needed to make it a "native" app. There's enough variety in frameworks that should make it stupidly simple to transform a web-app into a "native" app, without relying on adding yet another attention-invasive feature into the browser.
- raihansaputra 5y ago
  Yes, a solution, but it is not the same. Ex: would you download an app for an airport, or would you rather just scan a qr, load a page, get a notification when it's tine to board, and don't have have an app on your phone again? Same with museums, festivals, concerts, etc. A balance can be struck, but Apple blocks it outright (or even just implement a subset of an API to say they 'support it' while it's unusable (ex: IndexedDb)).
  - falcolas 5y ago
    > Ex: would you download an app for an airport, or would you rather just scan a qr, load a page, get a notification when it's tine to board, and don't have have an app on your phone again? Same with museums, festivals, concerts, etc. This is the status quo. And it works well enough for the niche usecases where push notifications may be justified. I myself have Delta and United apps installed, and have for years now. And even they don’t rely on push notifications for the important messages, they send them by SMS. As for museums, festivals, concerts - what’s push really for? “You just looked at painting 1002, want to learn more?” If I did, I’d look them up. And no, there is no balance when it comes to push notifications on the web. For every gmail, there’s hundreds of thousands of Reddits, who bug you for notifications the moment you land on their page. And even gmail is better as an app.

Exactly. I think it should be default deny for native apps too. But there are a few websites and apps where the notifications are useful.

falcolas 5y ago

If push notifications are that important for your app, take the short amount of time needed to make it a "native" app. There's enough variety in frameworks that should make it stupidly simple to transform a web-app into a "native" app, without relying on adding yet another attention-invasive feature into the browser.

raihansaputra 5y ago
Yes, a solution, but it is not the same. Ex: would you download an app for an airport, or would you rather just scan a qr, load a page, get a notification when it's tine to board, and don't have have an app on your phone again? Same with museums, festivals, concerts, etc. A balance can be struck, but Apple blocks it outright (or even just implement a subset of an API to say they 'support it' while it's unusable (ex: IndexedDb)).
- falcolas 5y ago
  > Ex: would you download an app for an airport, or would you rather just scan a qr, load a page, get a notification when it's tine to board, and don't have have an app on your phone again? Same with museums, festivals, concerts, etc. This is the status quo. And it works well enough for the niche usecases where push notifications may be justified. I myself have Delta and United apps installed, and have for years now. And even they don’t rely on push notifications for the important messages, they send them by SMS. As for museums, festivals, concerts - what’s push really for? “You just looked at painting 1002, want to learn more?” If I did, I’d look them up. And no, there is no balance when it comes to push notifications on the web. For every gmail, there’s hundreds of thousands of Reddits, who bug you for notifications the moment you land on their page. And even gmail is better as an app.