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I think "did well" is a spectrum. Some countries chose to enact very authoritarian lockdowns, and achieved success that way. Others balanced between freedoms an

I think "did well" is a spectrum. Some countries chose to enact very authoritarian lockdowns, and achieved success that way. Others balanced between freedoms and restrictions. Still others have to work within the bounds of their political system - what their laws permit and don't permit. From some quick web searches, it seems to me that India did many of the things you mentioned. I'm not sure if they did all of them, or to what extent they did each one - understanding that precisely is probably not possible without being involved in those particular actions. But it doesn't seem to me like they did nothing. > ALL countries that downplayed the pandemic ended up with second or third waves. Do you think India downplayed the pandemic? I don't get the sense given that they did building by building lockdowns and have police patrols ushering people back into their homes. We should keep in mind that each country is different - they have different population sizes, city densities, wealth levels, infrastructure quality, Internet access, cultural priorities, and so on. China is not India - it has an authoritarian governmental system. Taiwan is not India - it's small and rich and is an island. I'm not sure these comparisons are fair.

vkou 6y ago
> I think "did well" is a spectrum. Some countries chose to enact very authoritarian lockdowns, and achieved success that way And other countries had fourteen months of rolling half-assed lockdowns, and have achieved a few million sick, with tens-to-hundreds of thousands dead. At this point, I can't imagine who in their right mind would prefer what we got, compared to one hard lockdown that solved the problem, requiring only minimal follow-up measures.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  Not everyone with mental health issues or depression agrees with lockdown regardless of suicide statistics.
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > Not everyone with mental health issues or depression agrees with lockdown regardless of suicide statistics I don't understand this argument against public health measures. People should die because we have an unchecked mental health problem?
    - ketamine__ 6y ago
      Because getting one disease doesn't mean you get to condemn the rest of the public to misery? Look at what makes people vulnerable to Covid and you'll understand.
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    The early data suggests suicide rates dropped, so however these people feel, the fact is that fewer died from suicide. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(21)00091-2/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...
    - ketamine__ 6y ago
      Ah, so fuck depressed people as long as they didn't die? Also, I said "regardless of suicide statistics." Did you miss that part?
      - lostlogin 6y ago
        The lockdowns were pretty close to a scenario of ‘fuck everyone, but at least this way they won’t die’. I’m not sure what you wanted, depressed people to feel a little better but have rampant covid?
        ketamine__ 6y ago
        Except you're spreading misinformation. Not everyone was at risk of dying. You're not sure what I want? I've clearly spelled it out.
        lostlogin 6y ago
        > Except you're spreading misinformation. We locked down hard and kept New Zealand’s death toll to 26. Other places have done other things, but I prefer our approach.
        ketamine__ 6y ago
        What does your response have to do with the quote? It's a clear straw man. New Zealand and Australia likely won't open until 2023 because vaccination campaigns are slow and public health authorities are afraid of variants. I'm perfectly fine with people in these countries making those decisions. I just think they should be a little more understanding about the rest of the world that prefers open borders to hysteria. Also: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/five-hour-ambulance-delays-outside-hospitals-a-public-health-disaster-20210421-p57l5k.html https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/five-hour-ambula... > Patients with heart attack symptoms and spinal injuries are being forced to wait in ambulances outside hospitals for as long as five hours in what paramedics and the Australian Medical Association have described as a deadly public health emergency. > Ambulance response times are at their worst since 2016-17 and Ambulance Victoria has instigated emergency protocols – where patients can be instructed to take taxis to hospital instead of waiting for ambulances – three times more this year than in the previous two years combined. I've been reading a lot about how NZ's health system is overwhelmed too. I am allowed to criticize other nations just as you have criticized the US. Debate is allowed here. You're quite rude and unpleasant yourself.

vkou 6y ago

> I think "did well" is a spectrum. Some countries chose to enact very authoritarian lockdowns, and achieved success that way And other countries had fourteen months of rolling half-assed lockdowns, and have achieved a few million sick, with tens-to-hundreds of thousands dead. At this point, I can't imagine who in their right mind would prefer what we got, compared to one hard lockdown that solved the problem, requiring only minimal follow-up measures.

ketamine__ 6y ago
Not everyone with mental health issues or depression agrees with lockdown regardless of suicide statistics.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > Not everyone with mental health issues or depression agrees with lockdown regardless of suicide statistics I don't understand this argument against public health measures. People should die because we have an unchecked mental health problem?
  - ketamine__ 6y ago
    Because getting one disease doesn't mean you get to condemn the rest of the public to misery? Look at what makes people vulnerable to Covid and you'll understand.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  The early data suggests suicide rates dropped, so however these people feel, the fact is that fewer died from suicide. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(21)00091-2/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...
  - ketamine__ 6y ago
    Ah, so fuck depressed people as long as they didn't die? Also, I said "regardless of suicide statistics." Did you miss that part?
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      The lockdowns were pretty close to a scenario of ‘fuck everyone, but at least this way they won’t die’. I’m not sure what you wanted, depressed people to feel a little better but have rampant covid?
      - ketamine__ 6y ago
        Except you're spreading misinformation. Not everyone was at risk of dying. You're not sure what I want? I've clearly spelled it out.
        lostlogin 6y ago
        > Except you're spreading misinformation. We locked down hard and kept New Zealand’s death toll to 26. Other places have done other things, but I prefer our approach.
        ketamine__ 6y ago
        What does your response have to do with the quote? It's a clear straw man. New Zealand and Australia likely won't open until 2023 because vaccination campaigns are slow and public health authorities are afraid of variants. I'm perfectly fine with people in these countries making those decisions. I just think they should be a little more understanding about the rest of the world that prefers open borders to hysteria. Also: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/five-hour-ambulance-delays-outside-hospitals-a-public-health-disaster-20210421-p57l5k.html https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/five-hour-ambula... > Patients with heart attack symptoms and spinal injuries are being forced to wait in ambulances outside hospitals for as long as five hours in what paramedics and the Australian Medical Association have described as a deadly public health emergency. > Ambulance response times are at their worst since 2016-17 and Ambulance Victoria has instigated emergency protocols – where patients can be instructed to take taxis to hospital instead of waiting for ambulances – three times more this year than in the previous two years combined. I've been reading a lot about how NZ's health system is overwhelmed too. I am allowed to criticize other nations just as you have criticized the US. Debate is allowed here. You're quite rude and unpleasant yourself.