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Without censorship... so you want a place with nazis? 'cause that's what happens.

leetcrew 5y ago
assuming this is in good faith, please take a look at this list of banned subreddits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities#Banned_subreddits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti... though the world is probably better off without a lot of those, they are not all literal nazi subs.
- whymauri 5y ago
  GP is probably referring to Voat, which was a Reddit alternative with less censorship that went down the gutter within a year.
- jandrese 5y ago
  It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers, pedos, and assorted wingnuts. Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some sort of moderation or they will always collapse once they grow beyond a fairly modest threshold.
  - leetcrew 5y ago
    "reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.
    - jandrese 5y ago
      /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point, and as you note it does have some moderation. Some of the other forums on 4chan might be better examples, but even those have some moderation. Forums like /tg/ have managed to hang on alright, although their total post volume per day is quite small compared to /b/.
      - leetcrew 5y ago
        > /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point and some people enjoy that. you don't have to go there if you aren't one of them. you're not describing some platonic ideal of an internet forum. you're just describing what you personally want out of one.
        jandrese 5y ago
        Sure, if you want a forum that is only trolls then go ahead and leave it unmoderated. Just don't act surprised when suddenly Nazis show up.
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lamp987 5y ago
This If people's opinions arent watched, selected and filtered, we might get another third reich soon.
- at_a_remove 5y ago
  Indeed, we need a strong regime to overlook and approve everything, on each and every commentary platform, to make sure that wrongthink does not occur, otherwise, we might have a totalitari- oops, too late. Nothing has more of a "Whoever fights monsters ..." vibe than the endless fixation on Nazis. I suppose we will have to amend the Four Horsemen of the Infoacalypse from "drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles." My vote is that we put "Nazis" in place of "terrorists," given that a well-known anti-DDoS service decided to revoke protections for Stormfront while still providing services at the time to ISIS. Yes, that ISIS, the slow-motion, lovingly filmed execution of infidels ISIS.
- therouwboat 5y ago
  "You gotta let nazis be a little nazi, otherwise they are going to start killing people again."
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Yeah... you just have to make sure the solution isn't worse than the problem. This works okay for a forum or a private club. Not so much the world at large. Because it never stops at just filtering out the Nazis.
mrkstu 5y ago
Without censorship... so you want communist pinkos? Cause that's how you get communist pinkos.

assuming this is in good faith, please take a look at this list of banned subreddits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities#Banned_subreddits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti... though the world is probably better off without a lot of those, they are not all literal nazi subs.

whymauri 5y ago
GP is probably referring to Voat, which was a Reddit alternative with less censorship that went down the gutter within a year.
jandrese 5y ago
It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers, pedos, and assorted wingnuts. Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some sort of moderation or they will always collapse once they grow beyond a fairly modest threshold.
- leetcrew 5y ago
  "reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point, and as you note it does have some moderation. Some of the other forums on 4chan might be better examples, but even those have some moderation. Forums like /tg/ have managed to hang on alright, although their total post volume per day is quite small compared to /b/.
    - leetcrew 5y ago
      > /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point and some people enjoy that. you don't have to go there if you aren't one of them. you're not describing some platonic ideal of an internet forum. you're just describing what you personally want out of one.
      - jandrese 5y ago
        Sure, if you want a forum that is only trolls then go ahead and leave it unmoderated. Just don't act surprised when suddenly Nazis show up.

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lamp987 5y ago

This If people's opinions arent watched, selected and filtered, we might get another third reich soon.

at_a_remove 5y ago
Indeed, we need a strong regime to overlook and approve everything, on each and every commentary platform, to make sure that wrongthink does not occur, otherwise, we might have a totalitari- oops, too late. Nothing has more of a "Whoever fights monsters ..." vibe than the endless fixation on Nazis. I suppose we will have to amend the Four Horsemen of the Infoacalypse from "drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles." My vote is that we put "Nazis" in place of "terrorists," given that a well-known anti-DDoS service decided to revoke protections for Stormfront while still providing services at the time to ISIS. Yes, that ISIS, the slow-motion, lovingly filmed execution of infidels ISIS.
therouwboat 5y ago
"You gotta let nazis be a little nazi, otherwise they are going to start killing people again."
SyzygistSix 5y ago
Yeah... you just have to make sure the solution isn't worse than the problem. This works okay for a forum or a private club. Not so much the world at large. Because it never stops at just filtering out the Nazis.

mrkstu 5y ago

Without censorship... so you want communist pinkos? Cause that's how you get communist pinkos.