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I wish there was a mainstream site which has 4chan anonymity and fast pace + reddit thread format. Both become hardly usable with either elitism, censorship and

I wish there was a mainstream site which has 4chan anonymity and fast pace + reddit thread format. Both become hardly usable with either elitism, censorship and people who think upvotes matter or an absolute cancer to follow conversations in threads.

JeremyBanks 5y ago
Without censorship... so you want a place with nazis? 'cause that's what happens.
- leetcrew 5y ago
  assuming this is in good faith, please take a look at this list of banned subreddits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities#Banned_subreddits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti... though the world is probably better off without a lot of those, they are not all literal nazi subs.
  - whymauri 5y ago
    GP is probably referring to Voat, which was a Reddit alternative with less censorship that went down the gutter within a year.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers, pedos, and assorted wingnuts. Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some sort of moderation or they will always collapse once they grow beyond a fairly modest threshold.
    - leetcrew 5y ago
      "reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.
      - jandrese 5y ago
        /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point, and as you note it does have some moderation. Some of the other forums on 4chan might be better examples, but even those have some moderation. Forums like /tg/ have managed to hang on alright, although their total post volume per day is quite small compared to /b/.
        leetcrew 5y ago
        > /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point and some people enjoy that. you don't have to go there if you aren't one of them. you're not describing some platonic ideal of an internet forum. you're just describing what you personally want out of one.
        jandrese 5y ago
        Sure, if you want a forum that is only trolls then go ahead and leave it unmoderated. Just don't act surprised when suddenly Nazis show up.
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- lamp987 5y ago
  This If people's opinions arent watched, selected and filtered, we might get another third reich soon.
  - at_a_remove 5y ago
    Indeed, we need a strong regime to overlook and approve everything, on each and every commentary platform, to make sure that wrongthink does not occur, otherwise, we might have a totalitari- oops, too late. Nothing has more of a "Whoever fights monsters ..." vibe than the endless fixation on Nazis. I suppose we will have to amend the Four Horsemen of the Infoacalypse from "drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles." My vote is that we put "Nazis" in place of "terrorists," given that a well-known anti-DDoS service decided to revoke protections for Stormfront while still providing services at the time to ISIS. Yes, that ISIS, the slow-motion, lovingly filmed execution of infidels ISIS.
  - therouwboat 5y ago
    "You gotta let nazis be a little nazi, otherwise they are going to start killing people again."
  - SyzygistSix 5y ago
    Yeah... you just have to make sure the solution isn't worse than the problem. This works okay for a forum or a private club. Not so much the world at large. Because it never stops at just filtering out the Nazis.
- mrkstu 5y ago
  Without censorship... so you want communist pinkos? Cause that's how you get communist pinkos.
batch12 5y ago
I built this [1] and took it down when I quickly realized I would not have the time or desire to devote to keeping it going. Edit- it had live (think chat room) but threaded comments and was anonymous (temporary, randomized identites) I haven't had the heart to completely decommission it yet so I've stood it back up so you can see what I am talking about . [1] https://blahalla.com https://blahalla.com
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  This looks pretty neat. Two suggestions: show the room list on the home page and put the about stuff somewhere else. People will figure out what the site is by seeing or interacting and the faster they can the better. Second, names could be more distinct. The fact they all begin with the prefix "user" (from what I saw) is redundant. Could you mix and match from a short-words list to create unique and memorable names? e.g. RedFoxFun.
  - batch12 5y ago
    Good ideas and both easy to implement. Thanks for the feedback
- edrxty 5y ago
  That name is beautiful
  - batch12 5y ago
    Thank you- names are the thing I am worst at I think.
    - batch12 5y ago
      Realized later this could sound cocky. I meant it instead as a true thanks since coming up with names is hard for me and feels nice to have one appreciated.
      - 5y ago
tomatotomato37 5y ago
I'd even take an imageboard with reddit or HN moderation over the reddit-style of social media sites we have today. I'd even allow mandatory registration if the posts themselves are still anonymous to other users Anonymous posting prevents weird popularity cliches from taking over, and post linking via ID allows multiple conversations to flow much smoother than reddit's tree-structured comments. I'd also say that sequential ranking over popularity upvote would prevent as many low-effort hot takes/jokes from always being at the top of each thread, but I'm practice that doesn't really seem to play out like it should.
- obviouslynotme 5y ago
  I think 4chan with only slight moderation would be amazing. Get rid of all porn and illegal stuff. Keep the rest. You could advertise and keep the FBI participation to a minimum.
  - punchclockhero 5y ago
    There's always been moderation for illegal content and the janitors do a good job deleting porn from the worksafe boards.
- batch12 5y ago
  yeah that's what I was aiming for, but without the images and karma-- that's why the users were temporary. No need to whore for internet approval because it really doesn't matter.
  - cl0ne 5y ago
    https://ratwires.space https://ratwires.space Anonymous textboard written in Crystal.

JeremyBanks 5y ago

Without censorship... so you want a place with nazis? 'cause that's what happens.

leetcrew 5y ago
assuming this is in good faith, please take a look at this list of banned subreddits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities#Banned_subreddits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti... though the world is probably better off without a lot of those, they are not all literal nazi subs.
- whymauri 5y ago
  GP is probably referring to Voat, which was a Reddit alternative with less censorship that went down the gutter within a year.
- jandrese 5y ago
  It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers, pedos, and assorted wingnuts. Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some sort of moderation or they will always collapse once they grow beyond a fairly modest threshold.
  - leetcrew 5y ago
    "reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.
    - jandrese 5y ago
      /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point, and as you note it does have some moderation. Some of the other forums on 4chan might be better examples, but even those have some moderation. Forums like /tg/ have managed to hang on alright, although their total post volume per day is quite small compared to /b/.
      - leetcrew 5y ago
        > /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point and some people enjoy that. you don't have to go there if you aren't one of them. you're not describing some platonic ideal of an internet forum. you're just describing what you personally want out of one.
        jandrese 5y ago
        Sure, if you want a forum that is only trolls then go ahead and leave it unmoderated. Just don't act surprised when suddenly Nazis show up.
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lamp987 5y ago
This If people's opinions arent watched, selected and filtered, we might get another third reich soon.
- at_a_remove 5y ago
  Indeed, we need a strong regime to overlook and approve everything, on each and every commentary platform, to make sure that wrongthink does not occur, otherwise, we might have a totalitari- oops, too late. Nothing has more of a "Whoever fights monsters ..." vibe than the endless fixation on Nazis. I suppose we will have to amend the Four Horsemen of the Infoacalypse from "drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles." My vote is that we put "Nazis" in place of "terrorists," given that a well-known anti-DDoS service decided to revoke protections for Stormfront while still providing services at the time to ISIS. Yes, that ISIS, the slow-motion, lovingly filmed execution of infidels ISIS.
- therouwboat 5y ago
  "You gotta let nazis be a little nazi, otherwise they are going to start killing people again."
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Yeah... you just have to make sure the solution isn't worse than the problem. This works okay for a forum or a private club. Not so much the world at large. Because it never stops at just filtering out the Nazis.
mrkstu 5y ago
Without censorship... so you want communist pinkos? Cause that's how you get communist pinkos.

batch12 5y ago

I built this [1] and took it down when I quickly realized I would not have the time or desire to devote to keeping it going. Edit- it had live (think chat room) but threaded comments and was anonymous (temporary, randomized identites) I haven't had the heart to completely decommission it yet so I've stood it back up so you can see what I am talking about . [1] https://blahalla.com https://blahalla.com

ALittleLight 5y ago
This looks pretty neat. Two suggestions: show the room list on the home page and put the about stuff somewhere else. People will figure out what the site is by seeing or interacting and the faster they can the better. Second, names could be more distinct. The fact they all begin with the prefix "user" (from what I saw) is redundant. Could you mix and match from a short-words list to create unique and memorable names? e.g. RedFoxFun.
- batch12 5y ago
  Good ideas and both easy to implement. Thanks for the feedback
edrxty 5y ago
That name is beautiful
- batch12 5y ago
  Thank you- names are the thing I am worst at I think.
  - batch12 5y ago
    Realized later this could sound cocky. I meant it instead as a true thanks since coming up with names is hard for me and feels nice to have one appreciated.
    - 5y ago

tomatotomato37 5y ago

I'd even take an imageboard with reddit or HN moderation over the reddit-style of social media sites we have today. I'd even allow mandatory registration if the posts themselves are still anonymous to other users Anonymous posting prevents weird popularity cliches from taking over, and post linking via ID allows multiple conversations to flow much smoother than reddit's tree-structured comments. I'd also say that sequential ranking over popularity upvote would prevent as many low-effort hot takes/jokes from always being at the top of each thread, but I'm practice that doesn't really seem to play out like it should.

obviouslynotme 5y ago
I think 4chan with only slight moderation would be amazing. Get rid of all porn and illegal stuff. Keep the rest. You could advertise and keep the FBI participation to a minimum.
- punchclockhero 5y ago
  There's always been moderation for illegal content and the janitors do a good job deleting porn from the worksafe boards.
batch12 5y ago
yeah that's what I was aiming for, but without the images and karma-- that's why the users were temporary. No need to whore for internet approval because it really doesn't matter.
- cl0ne 5y ago
  https://ratwires.space https://ratwires.space Anonymous textboard written in Crystal.