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They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talk

They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talked about because the people involved are very powerful (most of them are also Masons who serve others in their group rather than the public first).

donall 15y ago
I enjoy being critical of the government as much as the next man, but I think a comment like the one you just made really deserves a [citation needed]. I'm not saying I don't believe you (there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by UK security forces in the past, particularly abroad), just that I'd be interested to see your sources.
- chrisjsmith 15y ago
  Most of the deaths are due to negligence on the part of the police. The concern is that this is intentional negligence which is never properly investigated. The IPCC rarely rule against the police however the legal system are less biased, if it gets that far. 30 seconds googling... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandp... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinso... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-defy-force-with-masonic-lodge-715368.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-def... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 Hmm... I could go on.
  - donall 15y ago
    I'm not doubting that the British police have a history of misconduct or that people die in prisons (and I'm not trying to justify it either - it's unequivocally wrong, in my opinion). But your assertion that "they are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones" suggests that there is a significant cover-up operation and that it heavily involves the Freemasons. I wasn't aware of the number of police who are masons (the article you linked to was interesting) but I don't see a verifiable connection between that and any alleged cover-ups. I'm not saying that there definitely aren't a significant number of cover-ups involving masons, just that I'm not aware of any credible evidence that suggests that it is the case. If you have some, I'd be interested in seeing it.
    - chrisjsmith 15y ago
      I have personally known two masons and they have said on many an occasion that they are obliged under their oath to do what their seniors request regardless of the law and they will be protected from prosecution in the course (which they found morally objectional). If you read up on masonic laws and history, this is normal. They're almost like the scientologists without the religious crazy stuff. The same applies to "people's networks" such as the Oxford and Eton alumni which is ingrained in politics and the legal system in the UK. The outcome of this is intentionally botched inquests such as the David Kelly one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%29#Hutton_Inquiry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%2... If you check the record of doctors and legal professionals involved, some of them are Oxford grads at the same time Blair was and were chosen on government recommendation. The others are professionally related to the Oxford alumni. An independent enquiry with properly referenced sources rather than a government puppet show would do well here.

donall 15y ago

I enjoy being critical of the government as much as the next man, but I think a comment like the one you just made really deserves a [citation needed]. I'm not saying I don't believe you (there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by UK security forces in the past, particularly abroad), just that I'd be interested to see your sources.

chrisjsmith 15y ago
Most of the deaths are due to negligence on the part of the police. The concern is that this is intentional negligence which is never properly investigated. The IPCC rarely rule against the police however the legal system are less biased, if it gets that far. 30 seconds googling... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandp... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinso... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-defy-force-with-masonic-lodge-715368.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-def... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 Hmm... I could go on.
- donall 15y ago
  I'm not doubting that the British police have a history of misconduct or that people die in prisons (and I'm not trying to justify it either - it's unequivocally wrong, in my opinion). But your assertion that "they are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones" suggests that there is a significant cover-up operation and that it heavily involves the Freemasons. I wasn't aware of the number of police who are masons (the article you linked to was interesting) but I don't see a verifiable connection between that and any alleged cover-ups. I'm not saying that there definitely aren't a significant number of cover-ups involving masons, just that I'm not aware of any credible evidence that suggests that it is the case. If you have some, I'd be interested in seeing it.
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    I have personally known two masons and they have said on many an occasion that they are obliged under their oath to do what their seniors request regardless of the law and they will be protected from prosecution in the course (which they found morally objectional). If you read up on masonic laws and history, this is normal. They're almost like the scientologists without the religious crazy stuff. The same applies to "people's networks" such as the Oxford and Eton alumni which is ingrained in politics and the legal system in the UK. The outcome of this is intentionally botched inquests such as the David Kelly one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%29#Hutton_Inquiry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%2... If you check the record of doctors and legal professionals involved, some of them are Oxford grads at the same time Blair was and were chosen on government recommendation. The others are professionally related to the Oxford alumni. An independent enquiry with properly referenced sources rather than a government puppet show would do well here.