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I'm sorry, no. Everyone knows that before Rails there were only three ways to make a web application. You could do it in either PHP, in Java servlets or in ASP.

by tinco 6y ago

I'm sorry, no. Everyone knows that before Rails there were only three ways to make a web application. You could do it in either PHP, in Java servlets or in ASP.Net. Ok and maybe ColdFusion MX.

pjmlp 6y ago
Only for souls that only started to do web development after 2002, and never learned about what the world was about between 1994 and 2002. I can gladly educate you on how Rails did not improve on the stacks already available, rather bring the concepts to a younger generation that never learned about them in first place, starting with ActiveRecord.
- tinco 6y ago
  Could you go back and tell 17yr old me know that there's something better than ASP.Net out there? I was doing .Net trying to dodge the Microsoft stack running early versions of Mono and everything, anything to dodge PHP and Java. I'll gladly receive that education, I have a hard time believing any of those frameworks are as sophisticated today as Rails 2.0 was back in the day.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    You didn't look hard enough, companies like https://www.altitude.com https://www.altitude.com and https://www.outsystems.com https://www.outsystems.com were built out of my and others experience with those frameworks. I could tell how they looked like from startup rooms in little offices spaces in Lisbon back in the early days of .com wave in late 90's, how AOLServer influenced the creation of Intervento's Safelayer framework, or how it got us to be approached by MSFT Portugal for adapting the same ideas to then still alpha version of .NET, however I am the right person to fully tell the story, better let that to the key persons, in case they feel like jumping in. In any case, here is some education material for yourself, https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/zopebook/index.html https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/zopebook/index.html https://docs.huihoo.com/aolserver/intro/features.html https://docs.huihoo.com/aolserver/intro/features.html https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6164 https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6164 https://github.com/aolserver/aolserver https://github.com/aolserver/aolserver

by tinco 6y ago

I'm sorry, no. Everyone knows that before Rails there were only three ways to make a web application. You could do it in either PHP, in Java servlets or in ASP.Net. Ok and maybe ColdFusion MX.

pjmlp 6y ago

Only for souls that only started to do web development after 2002, and never learned about what the world was about between 1994 and 2002. I can gladly educate you on how Rails did not improve on the stacks already available, rather bring the concepts to a younger generation that never learned about them in first place, starting with ActiveRecord.

tinco 6y ago
Could you go back and tell 17yr old me know that there's something better than ASP.Net out there? I was doing .Net trying to dodge the Microsoft stack running early versions of Mono and everything, anything to dodge PHP and Java. I'll gladly receive that education, I have a hard time believing any of those frameworks are as sophisticated today as Rails 2.0 was back in the day.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  You didn't look hard enough, companies like https://www.altitude.com https://www.altitude.com and https://www.outsystems.com https://www.outsystems.com were built out of my and others experience with those frameworks. I could tell how they looked like from startup rooms in little offices spaces in Lisbon back in the early days of .com wave in late 90's, how AOLServer influenced the creation of Intervento's Safelayer framework, or how it got us to be approached by MSFT Portugal for adapting the same ideas to then still alpha version of .NET, however I am the right person to fully tell the story, better let that to the key persons, in case they feel like jumping in. In any case, here is some education material for yourself, https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/zopebook/index.html https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/zopebook/index.html https://docs.huihoo.com/aolserver/intro/features.html https://docs.huihoo.com/aolserver/intro/features.html https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6164 https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6164 https://github.com/aolserver/aolserver https://github.com/aolserver/aolserver