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Comparing people taste in language with slavery. That's... bold.

eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 6y ago
Google doesn't pay anyone for the billions of recaptchas they force Internet users to solve for free - to then profit off by using them to train their AI which leaks into nobody-knows-how-many products. So I think it's pretty fine to put them into the bucket of entities which benefit from forced labor. They merely don't coax people into it by physical force but rather by locking them out of most of the Internet if they don't comply.
- StandardFuture 6y ago
  Very valid points about recaptchas. Now, what does that have to do with the Go programming language that is FOSS? Or are you calling for developers to essentially put restrictive sanctions on any and all Google products/projects? And if so, are you actually holding yourself to the same standard? Never using a recaptcha? Never visiting a site that uses Google Analytics? Never watching a YouTube video? Never using a device which runs the Android operating system? etc., etc.? Because you seem to be demanding such a standard from the rest of us.
  - eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 6y ago
    > Or are you calling for developers to essentially put restrictive sanctions on any and all Google products/projects? Yes. > And if so, are you actually holding yourself to the same standard? Never using a recaptcha? Never visiting a site that uses Google Analytics? Never watching a YouTube video? Never using a device which runs the Android operating system? etc., etc.? I intentionally enter a large percentage of invalid data into recaptchas to spoil their dataset. Google Analytics is blocked by my ad blocker. Same goes for ads on youtube. With regards to using their stuff, I don't demand anyone should stop privately using it if they need it. You just shouldn't encourage any further people to use Google stuff by filling their ecosystem with more new software.
    - StandardFuture 6y ago
      > I intentionally enter a large percentage of invalid data into recaptchas to spoil their dataset. So do a few others. You are easily selected out as anomalous data, just fyi. > Google Analytics is blocked by my ad blocker. Great. Are you also blocking Google Fonts? Are you sure that Google is not hosting anything you are touching on a website? > Same goes for ads on youtube. But advertisers pay YouTube based on the viewership reputation of YouTube. You are merely providing a reduced amount of value to Google in this way. > You just shouldn't encourage any further people to use Google stuff by filling their ecosystem with more new software. Very honest question: Do you think you would have actually said this same thing about the C programming language in the 70s, 80s? Maybe you would have. All in all, I am not sure that your stance justifies writing no code in Go which provides less value to Google's bottomline than even Google Fonts. Perhaps some advertiser somewhere in the tech industry benefits from Google's public-facing Go packages proxy data for reaching a developer audience to sell to? Who knows? But, developers can turn that off and/or use self-hosted proxies. Also, lone wolf retaliation is fine but not nearly as effective as just running for political office and being anti-Google.

Google doesn't pay anyone for the billions of recaptchas they force Internet users to solve for free - to then profit off by using them to train their AI which leaks into nobody-knows-how-many products. So I think it's pretty fine to put them into the bucket of entities which benefit from forced labor. They merely don't coax people into it by physical force but rather by locking them out of most of the Internet if they don't comply.

StandardFuture 6y ago
Very valid points about recaptchas. Now, what does that have to do with the Go programming language that is FOSS? Or are you calling for developers to essentially put restrictive sanctions on any and all Google products/projects? And if so, are you actually holding yourself to the same standard? Never using a recaptcha? Never visiting a site that uses Google Analytics? Never watching a YouTube video? Never using a device which runs the Android operating system? etc., etc.? Because you seem to be demanding such a standard from the rest of us.
- eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 6y ago
  > Or are you calling for developers to essentially put restrictive sanctions on any and all Google products/projects? Yes. > And if so, are you actually holding yourself to the same standard? Never using a recaptcha? Never visiting a site that uses Google Analytics? Never watching a YouTube video? Never using a device which runs the Android operating system? etc., etc.? I intentionally enter a large percentage of invalid data into recaptchas to spoil their dataset. Google Analytics is blocked by my ad blocker. Same goes for ads on youtube. With regards to using their stuff, I don't demand anyone should stop privately using it if they need it. You just shouldn't encourage any further people to use Google stuff by filling their ecosystem with more new software.
  - StandardFuture 6y ago
    > I intentionally enter a large percentage of invalid data into recaptchas to spoil their dataset. So do a few others. You are easily selected out as anomalous data, just fyi. > Google Analytics is blocked by my ad blocker. Great. Are you also blocking Google Fonts? Are you sure that Google is not hosting anything you are touching on a website? > Same goes for ads on youtube. But advertisers pay YouTube based on the viewership reputation of YouTube. You are merely providing a reduced amount of value to Google in this way. > You just shouldn't encourage any further people to use Google stuff by filling their ecosystem with more new software. Very honest question: Do you think you would have actually said this same thing about the C programming language in the 70s, 80s? Maybe you would have. All in all, I am not sure that your stance justifies writing no code in Go which provides less value to Google's bottomline than even Google Fonts. Perhaps some advertiser somewhere in the tech industry benefits from Google's public-facing Go packages proxy data for reaching a developer audience to sell to? Who knows? But, developers can turn that off and/or use self-hosted proxies. Also, lone wolf retaliation is fine but not nearly as effective as just running for political office and being anti-Google.