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The problem with a lot of these old school companies is that any development work would always be treated as 2nd tier. Very very few,if any, CEOs will go to the

The problem with a lot of these old school companies is that any development work would always be treated as 2nd tier. Very very few,if any, CEOs will go to their boards and admit that they've been behind with their tech for years and it'd take a lot of stones to move to change the way things are done. We all know them: crappy pay, work conditions similar to the comedy shows about office work,etc.

universa1 6y ago
Hmm... from personal experience I know that John Deere has multiple development centers around the world that definately do development on the edge of what is possible, and pushing that frontier... Disclaimer: Not in any associated/involved with John Deere.
- DetroitThrow 6y ago
  >edge of what is possible, and pushing that frontier... While I understand JD has been ahead of other tractor manufacturers (electric, autonomous), the industry hasn't been anywhere close to on pace with the research investments made in these areas where the consumer auto industry has actually been pushing the frontier in research investment in these spaces for some time now - seems more like riding the wave than contributing to "frontier pushing" from their comparative R&D investment in these areas. That's not even to mention that it's not out of the imagination or even common experience to have a sitcom-tier office workplace where "interesting (to management)" teams are over-resourced while teams in charge of features that are less "interesting" but similarly important to user experience are under-resourced, seemingly in this case infosec. It's a common pattern of a company that may have lost sight of the customer, and in this case they exposed customer data. Disclaimer: not related to JD, competitors, or research mentioned in this post, but have experience with JD tractors and them being years behind on engineering but years ahead on right-to-repair advocacy.
  - vsareto 6y ago
    Consumer auto has different problems it needs to solve. A vision based system would be a waste of an investment when you have a field with basically no obstacles, and certainly no people and cars and traffic signs. It's closer to an aircraft autopilot in that respect.
vsareto 6y ago
Idk about you, but self-driving tractors seem a bit better than 2nd tier developers. Some teams might be lower-end, which almost always happens at large companies. Many of them also integrate with the tools they're attached to. It's definitely not just line of business apps.

universa1 6y ago

Hmm... from personal experience I know that John Deere has multiple development centers around the world that definately do development on the edge of what is possible, and pushing that frontier... Disclaimer: Not in any associated/involved with John Deere.

DetroitThrow 6y ago
>edge of what is possible, and pushing that frontier... While I understand JD has been ahead of other tractor manufacturers (electric, autonomous), the industry hasn't been anywhere close to on pace with the research investments made in these areas where the consumer auto industry has actually been pushing the frontier in research investment in these spaces for some time now - seems more like riding the wave than contributing to "frontier pushing" from their comparative R&D investment in these areas. That's not even to mention that it's not out of the imagination or even common experience to have a sitcom-tier office workplace where "interesting (to management)" teams are over-resourced while teams in charge of features that are less "interesting" but similarly important to user experience are under-resourced, seemingly in this case infosec. It's a common pattern of a company that may have lost sight of the customer, and in this case they exposed customer data. Disclaimer: not related to JD, competitors, or research mentioned in this post, but have experience with JD tractors and them being years behind on engineering but years ahead on right-to-repair advocacy.
- vsareto 6y ago
  Consumer auto has different problems it needs to solve. A vision based system would be a waste of an investment when you have a field with basically no obstacles, and certainly no people and cars and traffic signs. It's closer to an aircraft autopilot in that respect.

vsareto 6y ago

Idk about you, but self-driving tractors seem a bit better than 2nd tier developers. Some teams might be lower-end, which almost always happens at large companies. Many of them also integrate with the tools they're attached to. It's definitely not just line of business apps.