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I agree with cookiecaper. I don't see Valve doing TF3 for some time. Whenever it does happen (and I think it will eventually) it will only be with large fundame

by jeffool 15y ago

I agree with cookiecaper. I don't see Valve doing TF3 for some time. Whenever it does happen (and I think it will eventually) it will only be with large fundamental changes that the TF2 tech can't handle on reasonable machines. Valve has become genius in their new approach of "games as service" imo. I think we'll see them going GOIP (Gaming Over IP, that's right, I just coined that. And what?) by the end of next year, too.

StavrosK 15y ago
What's Gaming over IP? What are we gaming over now?
- RickHull 15y ago
  http://www.onlive.com/ http://www.onlive.com/ Your TV+microconsole (or your computer) becomes a gaming thin client. The game runs in the cloud, and only the sound, display, and controller actions are transmitted between the thin client and gaming server. i.e. the Netflix model I got the microconsole for $50 with a free game, and I must say, it works surprisingly well.
  - StavrosK 15y ago
    Hmm, does that work? It sounds like it will cost a shitload for them to do the rendering on the server, plus a second shitload in bandwidth costs, plus the latency will be high...
    - creativeembassy 15y ago
      I've been predicting for years that it wouldn't work. And then OnLive finally launched, and... well, it's a teensy bit laggy compared to PC/console gaming, but it's amazing nonetheless. For people who have been wanting to game but never got over the hurdle of the console prices, much less building a PC rig for gaming, OnLive is a godsend.
    - jamesgeck0 15y ago
      The latency depends on the game you're playing. The better the video feed compresses, the more responsive the game will feel. It's works OK for 2D games and Batman:AA, but it's still not great for things like Unreal Tournament.
    - teamonkey 15y ago
      It's worth trying if you're skeptical. It's free to sign up and it allows you to play the first 30 minutes of several games free of charge.
      - StavrosK 15y ago
        Unfortunately I don't live in the US :(
        teamonkey 15y ago
        They have UK servers if that's where you are. http://onlive.co.uk/ http://onlive.co.uk/
        StavrosK 15y ago
        I signed up for the US trial, it was a bit slow but it was quite bearable. The game stopped responding, but overall it looks very good. I'm not sure how they can make money if they have to rent, say, an Amazon EC2 instance with a GPU at $3/hr, but I hope it works. My main problem is that you actually have to buy the games and then not even own them. I've already bought them once on Steam, why do I have to buy them again to play there? A Netflix-style model of per-month payments for unlimited time would be better, but having to buy the games again is a joke.
        jeffool 15y ago
        In interviews they've claimed that much of the lag players experience is from poor monitors. I don't know if I buy their claim of how much (I want to say the claim was "most", but I'd check that before I would argue it,) but I can certainly buy that as a contributing factor. I agree with you though, having to buy games I've already bought once is annoying. But unless storefronts/publishers all agree to hold hands, sing Kumbaya, and honor each other's purchases, I don't see another option.
        StavrosK 15y ago

by jeffool 15y ago

StavrosK 15y ago

What's Gaming over IP? What are we gaming over now?

RickHull 15y ago
http://www.onlive.com/ http://www.onlive.com/ Your TV+microconsole (or your computer) becomes a gaming thin client. The game runs in the cloud, and only the sound, display, and controller actions are transmitted between the thin client and gaming server. i.e. the Netflix model I got the microconsole for $50 with a free game, and I must say, it works surprisingly well.
- StavrosK 15y ago
  Hmm, does that work? It sounds like it will cost a shitload for them to do the rendering on the server, plus a second shitload in bandwidth costs, plus the latency will be high...
  - creativeembassy 15y ago
    I've been predicting for years that it wouldn't work. And then OnLive finally launched, and... well, it's a teensy bit laggy compared to PC/console gaming, but it's amazing nonetheless. For people who have been wanting to game but never got over the hurdle of the console prices, much less building a PC rig for gaming, OnLive is a godsend.
  - jamesgeck0 15y ago
    The latency depends on the game you're playing. The better the video feed compresses, the more responsive the game will feel. It's works OK for 2D games and Batman:AA, but it's still not great for things like Unreal Tournament.
  - teamonkey 15y ago
    It's worth trying if you're skeptical. It's free to sign up and it allows you to play the first 30 minutes of several games free of charge.
    - StavrosK 15y ago
      Unfortunately I don't live in the US :(
      - teamonkey 15y ago
        They have UK servers if that's where you are. http://onlive.co.uk/ http://onlive.co.uk/
        StavrosK 15y ago
        I signed up for the US trial, it was a bit slow but it was quite bearable. The game stopped responding, but overall it looks very good. I'm not sure how they can make money if they have to rent, say, an Amazon EC2 instance with a GPU at $3/hr, but I hope it works. My main problem is that you actually have to buy the games and then not even own them. I've already bought them once on Steam, why do I have to buy them again to play there? A Netflix-style model of per-month payments for unlimited time would be better, but having to buy the games again is a joke.
        jeffool 15y ago
        In interviews they've claimed that much of the lag players experience is from poor monitors. I don't know if I buy their claim of how much (I want to say the claim was "most", but I'd check that before I would argue it,) but I can certainly buy that as a contributing factor. I agree with you though, having to buy games I've already bought once is annoying. But unless storefronts/publishers all agree to hold hands, sing Kumbaya, and honor each other's purchases, I don't see another option.
        StavrosK 15y ago