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Name me a country where logistics orgs never run out of money or resources.

by andromeduck 6y ago

labster 6y ago
The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money, and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources.
- zoshi 6y ago
  Ships, planets, space, etc. are scarce and owned by various actors. The Federation is an interplanetary government made of sovereign member states, many of which do trade and use money. Even without the use of trade, there must be systems for determining who controls what.
  - robotbikes 6y ago
    This discussion makes me wish that I had borrowed the book Trekonomics from my friend when he offered to loan it to me. - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekonomics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekonomics
- edoceo 6y ago
  replicators tho. makes a huge difference. we're headed away from UFP and more towards DOOP.
- imagineerschool 6y ago
  They run out of resources all the time and it drives many plots!
- dexterous 6y ago
  I had a feeling someone was eventually going to pull this one out. :)
- drdeca 6y ago
  fictitious evidence isn't.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money Well, they occasionally say they don’t (and Roddenberry said they don’t), but they actually do (or discussing the fact that they do) in every single one of the series, and several of the movies. > and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources. They do run into resource limits. Also, the UFP is, you known, fiction, and not even haed science fiction (or even particularly internally consistent fiction.)
dredmorbius 6y ago
Let's invert that. Let's assume that logistics organisations consistently run out of resources. That this is a probabalistic outcome of operations. The BBC article even gives us a sense of the baseline risk, about 250 cases presently, and 85 new ones reported in 2020 (meaning that typical durations exceed a year in length). In that case, how do you address the inevitable circumstance without creating a human rights abuse crisis, presuming sufficient consideration and political will exists for this to occur? Elsewhere in the thread, surity bonds are mentioned. That is, a ship on entering a port or other navigational / marine facility, places a bond in which some large and far more solvent entity assures that compensation where due is paid. International treaties (to which major transit points such as canals might be obligated to join) are another option. An international response organisation with the ability to both intervene and impose additional sanctions on any entities which impose such sailor-arrest. Keep in mind that the 2020 Beruit ANFO explosion occurred after a not-dissimilar situation, in which a ship was deemed unseaworthy and its cargo seized and held under exceptionally (and ultimately massively fatal and damaging) conditions, in part because its ownership and questions over compensation were not met. (There were quite admittedly other concerns and failures, including by the Beruit port authority and judiciary, but the ownership and payment aspects touched on most of these. Hazardous cargo and storage have been at the heart of several other recent major disasters, including in Tianjin, China.) Whilst "flag of convenience" regulations make race-to-the-bottom standards in shipping regulation common, obligations to maintain surity bonds or similar instruments of substantial duration (e.g., a year or more) to access major ports, canals, fueling depots, and the like, could help ensure compliance.

Name me a country where logistics orgs never run out of money or resources.

labster 6y ago

The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money, and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources.

zoshi 6y ago
Ships, planets, space, etc. are scarce and owned by various actors. The Federation is an interplanetary government made of sovereign member states, many of which do trade and use money. Even without the use of trade, there must be systems for determining who controls what.
- robotbikes 6y ago
  This discussion makes me wish that I had borrowed the book Trekonomics from my friend when he offered to loan it to me. - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekonomics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekonomics
edoceo 6y ago
replicators tho. makes a huge difference. we're headed away from UFP and more towards DOOP.
imagineerschool 6y ago
They run out of resources all the time and it drives many plots!
dexterous 6y ago
I had a feeling someone was eventually going to pull this one out. :)
drdeca 6y ago
fictitious evidence isn't.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money Well, they occasionally say they don’t (and Roddenberry said they don’t), but they actually do (or discussing the fact that they do) in every single one of the series, and several of the movies. > and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources. They do run into resource limits. Also, the UFP is, you known, fiction, and not even haed science fiction (or even particularly internally consistent fiction.)

dredmorbius 6y ago

Let's invert that. Let's assume that logistics organisations consistently run out of resources. That this is a probabalistic outcome of operations. The BBC article even gives us a sense of the baseline risk, about 250 cases presently, and 85 new ones reported in 2020 (meaning that typical durations exceed a year in length). In that case, how do you address the inevitable circumstance without creating a human rights abuse crisis, presuming sufficient consideration and political will exists for this to occur? Elsewhere in the thread, surity bonds are mentioned. That is, a ship on entering a port or other navigational / marine facility, places a bond in which some large and far more solvent entity assures that compensation where due is paid. International treaties (to which major transit points such as canals might be obligated to join) are another option. An international response organisation with the ability to both intervene and impose additional sanctions on any entities which impose such sailor-arrest. Keep in mind that the 2020 Beruit ANFO explosion occurred after a not-dissimilar situation, in which a ship was deemed unseaworthy and its cargo seized and held under exceptionally (and ultimately massively fatal and damaging) conditions, in part because its ownership and questions over compensation were not met. (There were quite admittedly other concerns and failures, including by the Beruit port authority and judiciary, but the ownership and payment aspects touched on most of these. Hazardous cargo and storage have been at the heart of several other recent major disasters, including in Tianjin, China.) Whilst "flag of convenience" regulations make race-to-the-bottom standards in shipping regulation common, obligations to maintain surity bonds or similar instruments of substantial duration (e.g., a year or more) to access major ports, canals, fueling depots, and the like, could help ensure compliance.