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> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news a

> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news anyway. > If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Only if they're from the US. In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years and only for murders or specific crimes. For that they'd probably just get a few years.

sliverstorm 15y ago
This is ridiculous You begrudge someone the desire to not accidentally get caught up in something they could land in prison for?
- patrickaljord 15y ago
  This is not the first time a torrent containing breached information has been released. No one has ever been sued for downloading the torrent, not even with the wikileaks cable. Parent's post reads a tad alarmist and dramatic in my opinion but maybe that's just me.
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    Allow folks their small foibles and paranoia. You'll get along better with everyone that way :)
    - patrickaljord 15y ago
      They sure have the rights to their small foibles and paranoia just like I have the rights to call them on that.
  - kragen 15y ago
    People who download illegal torrents might be profiled and the information used against them later.
    - mcphilip 15y ago
      Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about-wikileaks-big-brother-say/ http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...
      - GHFigs 15y ago
        That advice is entirely to do with the fact that the information was classified and the federal government doesn't want to hire people whose treatment of classified information is to post links to it on Facebook. It is a reasonable suggestion to people seeking employment in government.
        cma 15y ago
        What about linking to the NYT articles, those weren't any less "classified".
        nextparadigms 15y ago
        That information was already public. They didn't put stuff on Facebook from their own work documents. It was a pretty ridiculous thing to ask for.
      - jbooth 15y ago
        And there's two ways to respond to something like that, you can go along to get along like a sheep, even though you know it's wrong, or you can go out of your way to discuss it since, if everyone's discussed it, then you can't discriminate against people for it.
harshpotatoes 15y ago
Most of their targets have been US based websites, and they have probably not made a lot of good will with European leaders. I would be very surprised if there was a European country that would not extradite them.
kragen 15y ago
> In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Oury_Jalloh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Oury_Jalloh "In 2007, two officers were charged with causing bodily harm with fatal consequences and with involuntary manslaughter, respectively, but were acquitted in December 2008 for want of evidence." In Western Europe, the cops can still get away with killing you if they don't believe that the penal system will properly punish you. In the UK, they kill more than one person per month: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Deaths_in_Custody http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Deaths_in_Custody
- ugh 15y ago
  Those deaths in custody seem to be mostly suicides. The case of Oury Jalloh is truly horrific but it is only one case. I cannot see any trend or evidence for systematic executions in the data you presented. There may well be a few cases, I don’t know, but to suggest that this is common seems absolutely laughable and ridiculous, given the data you presented.
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talked about because the people involved are very powerful (most of them are also Masons who serve others in their group rather than the public first).
    - donall 15y ago
      I enjoy being critical of the government as much as the next man, but I think a comment like the one you just made really deserves a [citation needed]. I'm not saying I don't believe you (there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by UK security forces in the past, particularly abroad), just that I'd be interested to see your sources.
      - chrisjsmith 15y ago
        Most of the deaths are due to negligence on the part of the police. The concern is that this is intentional negligence which is never properly investigated. The IPCC rarely rule against the police however the legal system are less biased, if it gets that far. 30 seconds googling... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandp... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinso... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-defy-force-with-masonic-lodge-715368.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-def... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 Hmm... I could go on.
EwanToo 15y ago
While I agree that there won't be 1000s of people prosecuted, you might not be aware of how strong the extradition agreements between the USA and most of Europe are. If the hackers are in Europe and are caught, they'll end up in the US justice system, for example see Gary McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon
JonnieCache 15y ago
Just change your MAC address and download it at starbucks. Problem solved. And if they get caught in western europe they may as well have been caught in the US because of the strong extradition treaties in place.
iamichi 15y ago
For some reason I get the impression at least one of them is from the UK.

sliverstorm 15y ago

This is ridiculous You begrudge someone the desire to not accidentally get caught up in something they could land in prison for?

patrickaljord 15y ago
This is not the first time a torrent containing breached information has been released. No one has ever been sued for downloading the torrent, not even with the wikileaks cable. Parent's post reads a tad alarmist and dramatic in my opinion but maybe that's just me.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  Allow folks their small foibles and paranoia. You'll get along better with everyone that way :)
  - patrickaljord 15y ago
    They sure have the rights to their small foibles and paranoia just like I have the rights to call them on that.
- kragen 15y ago
  People who download illegal torrents might be profiled and the information used against them later.
  - mcphilip 15y ago
    Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about-wikileaks-big-brother-say/ http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...
    - GHFigs 15y ago
      That advice is entirely to do with the fact that the information was classified and the federal government doesn't want to hire people whose treatment of classified information is to post links to it on Facebook. It is a reasonable suggestion to people seeking employment in government.
      - cma 15y ago
        What about linking to the NYT articles, those weren't any less "classified".
      - nextparadigms 15y ago
        That information was already public. They didn't put stuff on Facebook from their own work documents. It was a pretty ridiculous thing to ask for.
    - jbooth 15y ago
      And there's two ways to respond to something like that, you can go along to get along like a sheep, even though you know it's wrong, or you can go out of your way to discuss it since, if everyone's discussed it, then you can't discriminate against people for it.

harshpotatoes 15y ago

Most of their targets have been US based websites, and they have probably not made a lot of good will with European leaders. I would be very surprised if there was a European country that would not extradite them.

kragen 15y ago

> In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Oury_Jalloh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Oury_Jalloh "In 2007, two officers were charged with causing bodily harm with fatal consequences and with involuntary manslaughter, respectively, but were acquitted in December 2008 for want of evidence." In Western Europe, the cops can still get away with killing you if they don't believe that the penal system will properly punish you. In the UK, they kill more than one person per month: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Deaths_in_Custody http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Deaths_in_Custody

ugh 15y ago
Those deaths in custody seem to be mostly suicides. The case of Oury Jalloh is truly horrific but it is only one case. I cannot see any trend or evidence for systematic executions in the data you presented. There may well be a few cases, I don’t know, but to suggest that this is common seems absolutely laughable and ridiculous, given the data you presented.
- chrisjsmith 15y ago
  They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talked about because the people involved are very powerful (most of them are also Masons who serve others in their group rather than the public first).
  - donall 15y ago
    I enjoy being critical of the government as much as the next man, but I think a comment like the one you just made really deserves a [citation needed]. I'm not saying I don't believe you (there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by UK security forces in the past, particularly abroad), just that I'd be interested to see your sources.
    - chrisjsmith 15y ago
      Most of the deaths are due to negligence on the part of the police. The concern is that this is intentional negligence which is never properly investigated. The IPCC rarely rule against the police however the legal system are less biased, if it gets that far. 30 seconds googling... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandp... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinso... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-defy-force-with-masonic-lodge-715368.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-def... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812 Hmm... I could go on.

EwanToo 15y ago

While I agree that there won't be 1000s of people prosecuted, you might not be aware of how strong the extradition agreements between the USA and most of Europe are. If the hackers are in Europe and are caught, they'll end up in the US justice system, for example see Gary McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

JonnieCache 15y ago

Just change your MAC address and download it at starbucks. Problem solved. And if they get caught in western europe they may as well have been caught in the US because of the strong extradition treaties in place.

iamichi 15y ago

For some reason I get the impression at least one of them is from the UK.