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That's an amazingly slippery slope if I ever saw one: "We've eliminated the death penalty because we are so enlightened. But now that we've sentenced you to li

That's an amazingly slippery slope if I ever saw one: "We've eliminated the death penalty because we are so enlightened. But now that we've sentenced you to life in prison, every morning with breakfast, we offer a side of poison just in case you would like to exercise your right to check out of this hell hole. No pressure. Just being helpful."

sharkjacobs 6y ago
Can't wait for cutting edge prisons which AB test changes to diet, schedule, and accommodations to maximize prisoner self terminations. All within the bounds of strict adherence to ethics regulations of course.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  "Responsibly saving your tax dollars one assisted suicide at a time."
throwaway932234 6y ago
That's the most ridiculous response I didn't expect to read towards my comment. Of course, all precautions should be similar to the existing process of having euthanasia. No coercion or manipulation present while the decision comes from the person, and a doctor or nurse trained in euthanasia would be doing the evaluation(s) of the person requesting it. Currently, people are receiving euthanasia for intolerable medical conditions and without anyone finding slippery slope imaginary scenarios that people write as fears.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  I'm pro right to die and not sure how I feel about the death penalty, but the minute you say "We are going to sentence you to decades of torture and kindly help you escape that by offering some version of euthanasia" you are really doing some major head fuckery that actively encourages people to commit suicide. People in prison sometimes already commit suicide, in spite of it being hard to do.
  - throwaway932234 6y ago
    The reason it isn't such a "major head fuckery" for me personally, is because I don't believe in free will and I think everything is predetermined. So, someone that has an "ill mindset" where they commit a crime worthy of being forever isolated from the general public, is in the sense very ill psychologically and comparable to someone suffering from a mental illness. The psychological pain that someone will suffer from forever by the isolation result because of their ill mindset that made them isolated should allow euthanasia like other countries allow someone with a psychological illness with intolerable suffering the choice to escape the intolerable pain. Anyway to me that's a kinder world than being stuck in pain until death and when it wasn't their choice to develop an ill mindset; similar to all other people with illnesses that are privileged to be able to decide for themselves if euthanasia is the right thing for them personally. Committing suicide without medical help can be terrifying and statistically more favourable to fail where brain damage could likely prevent further attempts.
    - DoreenMichele 6y ago
      Among other things: You are assuming they are actually guilty. The very article under discussion shows that innocent people go to prison. There's a whole lot more I don't agree with here, but it seems unlikely to be a fruitful discussion.
      - throwaway932234 6y ago
        I wrote for persons that are in a way innocent, as they had no choice but are guilty if they really did commit the crime worthy of the punishment. I'll confirm here for you that I think even an innocent person should be given a way out by euthanasia if they're living such a nightmare of being stuck in prison for a life sentence while truly innocent by not committing the accused crime(s). We definitely as a society should allow persons that were fated with such a cruel twist in life the ability to fight for retrials for examining how they truly are innocent even while the first verdict claims otherwise. I'm not assuming but just writing my thoughts for a better world than the one I observe in this life.
themacguffinman 6y ago
(not the person you're replying to) I can't deny there are ethical problems, but on a very personal level I strongly agree with GP's premise: if I was sentenced to life imprisonment, I would consider it so intolerable I would want to kill myself (especially true in specific countries with notoriously unpleasant or corrupt prison systems). I'm honestly not sure how that should square with potential ethical problems of prison euthanasia but I feel compelled to point out that it's a real desire that deserves consideration, just like normal euthanasia. Similar problems exist with regular euthanasia and they tend to be mitigated with policies like waiting periods, redundant consent, and minimum requirements.

sharkjacobs 6y ago

Can't wait for cutting edge prisons which AB test changes to diet, schedule, and accommodations to maximize prisoner self terminations. All within the bounds of strict adherence to ethics regulations of course.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
"Responsibly saving your tax dollars one assisted suicide at a time."

throwaway932234 6y ago

That's the most ridiculous response I didn't expect to read towards my comment. Of course, all precautions should be similar to the existing process of having euthanasia. No coercion or manipulation present while the decision comes from the person, and a doctor or nurse trained in euthanasia would be doing the evaluation(s) of the person requesting it. Currently, people are receiving euthanasia for intolerable medical conditions and without anyone finding slippery slope imaginary scenarios that people write as fears.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
I'm pro right to die and not sure how I feel about the death penalty, but the minute you say "We are going to sentence you to decades of torture and kindly help you escape that by offering some version of euthanasia" you are really doing some major head fuckery that actively encourages people to commit suicide. People in prison sometimes already commit suicide, in spite of it being hard to do.
- throwaway932234 6y ago
  The reason it isn't such a "major head fuckery" for me personally, is because I don't believe in free will and I think everything is predetermined. So, someone that has an "ill mindset" where they commit a crime worthy of being forever isolated from the general public, is in the sense very ill psychologically and comparable to someone suffering from a mental illness. The psychological pain that someone will suffer from forever by the isolation result because of their ill mindset that made them isolated should allow euthanasia like other countries allow someone with a psychological illness with intolerable suffering the choice to escape the intolerable pain. Anyway to me that's a kinder world than being stuck in pain until death and when it wasn't their choice to develop an ill mindset; similar to all other people with illnesses that are privileged to be able to decide for themselves if euthanasia is the right thing for them personally. Committing suicide without medical help can be terrifying and statistically more favourable to fail where brain damage could likely prevent further attempts.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    Among other things: You are assuming they are actually guilty. The very article under discussion shows that innocent people go to prison. There's a whole lot more I don't agree with here, but it seems unlikely to be a fruitful discussion.
    - throwaway932234 6y ago
      I wrote for persons that are in a way innocent, as they had no choice but are guilty if they really did commit the crime worthy of the punishment. I'll confirm here for you that I think even an innocent person should be given a way out by euthanasia if they're living such a nightmare of being stuck in prison for a life sentence while truly innocent by not committing the accused crime(s). We definitely as a society should allow persons that were fated with such a cruel twist in life the ability to fight for retrials for examining how they truly are innocent even while the first verdict claims otherwise. I'm not assuming but just writing my thoughts for a better world than the one I observe in this life.

themacguffinman 6y ago

(not the person you're replying to) I can't deny there are ethical problems, but on a very personal level I strongly agree with GP's premise: if I was sentenced to life imprisonment, I would consider it so intolerable I would want to kill myself (especially true in specific countries with notoriously unpleasant or corrupt prison systems). I'm honestly not sure how that should square with potential ethical problems of prison euthanasia but I feel compelled to point out that it's a real desire that deserves consideration, just like normal euthanasia. Similar problems exist with regular euthanasia and they tend to be mitigated with policies like waiting periods, redundant consent, and minimum requirements.