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No, it's not. Self defense is moral and justified. And some people are more dangerous alive than dead. Worse, some people develop a cult-of-personality and a fo

No, it's not. Self defense is moral and justified. And some people are more dangerous alive than dead. Worse, some people develop a cult-of-personality and a following that they can even control or influence from jail. You telling me a mafia or gang leader or a former dictator guilty of genocide doesn't deserve the death penalty? Naive, to say the least. You know little of true evil, which does exist and no amount of corrective procedure will fix.

sneak 6y ago
Someone held securely in prison does not pose an imminent threat to you, and thus an argument from self-defense is void. The fact that you move on so deftly to the word "deserve" suggests that it's vengeance you seek. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
- JimBeans2131 6y ago
  You are being disingenuous. A murderous psychopath is a danger to people. This is obvious and something that a five year old child can understand. Some people cross the line and forfeit their lives. The death penalty is absolutely justifiable unless you are a moral relativist, which is a logically inconsistent world view.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  > Someone held securely in prison I already mentioned the cult-of-personality example above and you breezed over it. Gang leaders are fully capable of executing kills from jail. They have influence that extends beyond the 4 walls they're contained to. Some of them have access to a vast array of money and dangerous people who they can delegate to. They can also actively influence or harm other prisoners in jail. Treating true psychopaths with kid gloves won't make the world a better place.
  - sneak 6y ago
    If prisoners are able to lead criminal organizations whillst inside, that's very obviously a rather trivial-to-fix bug in the design of the jail, not a reason to murder someone for vengeance. We have more than adequate technology to keep such hopeless cases from harming themselves or others.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      It's not trivial to fix without introducing mechanisms that are worse than death, such as isolated confinement and other forms of torture.
      - sneak 6y ago
        I believe that this is a false dichotomy that you present; I can think of several different solutions to this problem in seconds, none of which are what you describe.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Self defense is moral and justified. To the extent that it is moral and justified, it does not extend to include intent to kill. To the extent intent to kill is present, it is not morally “self-defense”, though it may still be within the scope that law does not punish when the other moral elements of self-defense are present (which is, itself, right and proper despite allowing some immoral acts to go unpunished as criminal law should err on the side of nonpunishment and teasing out intent when the other elements of self-defense are present is more likely to result in the reverse error.)

sneak 6y ago

Someone held securely in prison does not pose an imminent threat to you, and thus an argument from self-defense is void. The fact that you move on so deftly to the word "deserve" suggests that it's vengeance you seek. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

JimBeans2131 6y ago
You are being disingenuous. A murderous psychopath is a danger to people. This is obvious and something that a five year old child can understand. Some people cross the line and forfeit their lives. The death penalty is absolutely justifiable unless you are a moral relativist, which is a logically inconsistent world view.
chrisco255 6y ago
> Someone held securely in prison I already mentioned the cult-of-personality example above and you breezed over it. Gang leaders are fully capable of executing kills from jail. They have influence that extends beyond the 4 walls they're contained to. Some of them have access to a vast array of money and dangerous people who they can delegate to. They can also actively influence or harm other prisoners in jail. Treating true psychopaths with kid gloves won't make the world a better place.
- sneak 6y ago
  If prisoners are able to lead criminal organizations whillst inside, that's very obviously a rather trivial-to-fix bug in the design of the jail, not a reason to murder someone for vengeance. We have more than adequate technology to keep such hopeless cases from harming themselves or others.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    It's not trivial to fix without introducing mechanisms that are worse than death, such as isolated confinement and other forms of torture.
    - sneak 6y ago
      I believe that this is a false dichotomy that you present; I can think of several different solutions to this problem in seconds, none of which are what you describe.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Self defense is moral and justified. To the extent that it is moral and justified, it does not extend to include intent to kill. To the extent intent to kill is present, it is not morally “self-defense”, though it may still be within the scope that law does not punish when the other moral elements of self-defense are present (which is, itself, right and proper despite allowing some immoral acts to go unpunished as criminal law should err on the side of nonpunishment and teasing out intent when the other elements of self-defense are present is more likely to result in the reverse error.)