> arguments that are amenable even to people who disagree on the fundamentals Now I'm not sure what you think fundamental, but I am pretty sure that "murder" i

> arguments that are amenable even to people who disagree on the fundamentals Now I'm not sure what you think fundamental, but I am pretty sure that "murder" is a something the other side understands. The irony in this is iron clad. It is also hyperbole, because this is an internet comment, not a political debate.