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From the landing page, there is this great claim: "the chance to eat the foods we love without sacrificing our food ideals" But not information on how it is pr

From the landing page, there is this great claim: "the chance to eat the foods we love without sacrificing our food ideals" But not information on how it is produced. So I won't know, whether it really matches my food ideals. I mean, how does it get produced? From real fish stem cells? So still, there needs be dead fish in the process at some point? So how many fish do you need to kill, to produce one portion of sushi? Or can you grow forever, with one batch of stem cells? (probably not I guess) Without knowing this and about what else is involved in the production chain, I really cannot believe such statements.

cheese_please 6y ago
I don't know about WildType specifically, but it's not necessarily true that a salmon would need to die at any point in the process. Cells from a simple muscle biopsy could be cultured for this purpose, and a single biopsy may have the potential to produce a great deal of cells depending on the culture conditions. Or they may have developed an immortalized salmon cell line from an initial biopsy that they can proliferate indefinitely (though this leads to questions about genetic drift after a certain number of population doublings; I'm sure they would have a bunch of frozen vials to restart from early passage numbers every few batches though).
- UglyToad 6y ago
  Plus as a lapsed-vegetarian I'm excited for lab grown meats even if there's an animal killed at some point in the process. It's impossible to choose a food without at least some harm. How many fish are killed by fertilizer runoff or damming for irrigation or whatever else is needed for all forms of agriculture? I'm going to assume a non-zero amount. So my view is the aim with all ethics-based dietary choices with the motivation of avoiding harm to animals is basically to optimize for least animals killed per calorie per 'sentience' unit or whatever. All food choices are inherently non-zero in animal suffering and I don't think it's reasonable to hold lab grown meat to any higher standard.
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    "All food choices are inherently non-zero in animal suffering and I don't think it's reasonable to hold lab grown meat to any higher standard. " I know. I am not even a vegetarian. (I just have a big problem with the industrial food machine) But if something is advertised as totally ethical, then yes, it should hold to a higher standard.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  I think you're both right. There are reasonable enough ways to get cell samples without killing the fish, but they're so short on details I assume they're hiding something. For all I know, it's a no-kill fish version of Theranos that just serves store-bough salmon from the back.

cheese_please 6y ago

I don't know about WildType specifically, but it's not necessarily true that a salmon would need to die at any point in the process. Cells from a simple muscle biopsy could be cultured for this purpose, and a single biopsy may have the potential to produce a great deal of cells depending on the culture conditions. Or they may have developed an immortalized salmon cell line from an initial biopsy that they can proliferate indefinitely (though this leads to questions about genetic drift after a certain number of population doublings; I'm sure they would have a bunch of frozen vials to restart from early passage numbers every few batches though).

UglyToad 6y ago
Plus as a lapsed-vegetarian I'm excited for lab grown meats even if there's an animal killed at some point in the process. It's impossible to choose a food without at least some harm. How many fish are killed by fertilizer runoff or damming for irrigation or whatever else is needed for all forms of agriculture? I'm going to assume a non-zero amount. So my view is the aim with all ethics-based dietary choices with the motivation of avoiding harm to animals is basically to optimize for least animals killed per calorie per 'sentience' unit or whatever. All food choices are inherently non-zero in animal suffering and I don't think it's reasonable to hold lab grown meat to any higher standard.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  "All food choices are inherently non-zero in animal suffering and I don't think it's reasonable to hold lab grown meat to any higher standard. " I know. I am not even a vegetarian. (I just have a big problem with the industrial food machine) But if something is advertised as totally ethical, then yes, it should hold to a higher standard.
dehrmann 6y ago
I think you're both right. There are reasonable enough ways to get cell samples without killing the fish, but they're so short on details I assume they're hiding something. For all I know, it's a no-kill fish version of Theranos that just serves store-bough salmon from the back.