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They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially

by blhack 15y ago

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Before this, I'm sure in the back of the heads of whoever was doing whatever, was the thought of getting caught, and that they might go to jail for a couple of years. It doesn't matter anymore, because nothing that they can do now can make things worse for them. If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Basically: consequences will never be the same.

mynameishere 15y ago
The FBI probably already has their number and was waiting for something good to prosecute. They inject their filthy politics into their "lulz" and as far as I'm concerned they can go straight to damnation.
- redthrowaway 15y ago
  The press release wasn't written by them. [1] Also, "filthy politics"? Really? The best you can say of those who hold political views contrary to your own is that those views are "filthy"? [1]http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/84075440024719361 http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/84075440024719361
pnathan 15y ago
They are playing with the big boys. But really - does anyone think that direct action anarchist philosophy leads elsewhere?
patrickaljord 15y ago
> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news anyway. > If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Only if they're from the US. In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years and only for murders or specific crimes. For that they'd probably just get a few years.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  This is ridiculous You begrudge someone the desire to not accidentally get caught up in something they could land in prison for?
  - patrickaljord 15y ago
    This is not the first time a torrent containing breached information has been released. No one has ever been sued for downloading the torrent, not even with the wikileaks cable. Parent's post reads a tad alarmist and dramatic in my opinion but maybe that's just me.
    - sliverstorm 15y ago
      Allow folks their small foibles and paranoia. You'll get along better with everyone that way :)
      - patrickaljord 15y ago
        They sure have the rights to their small foibles and paranoia just like I have the rights to call them on that.
    - kragen 15y ago
      People who download illegal torrents might be profiled and the information used against them later.
      - mcphilip 15y ago
        Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about-wikileaks-big-brother-say/ http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...
        15y ago
esrauch 15y ago
They already claimed to have taken down a CIA website in June among other pretty high profile targets. I'm pretty sure they would have already been doing at least 20 years if they got caught and actually charged with everything they did even before this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13787229 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13787229
- pyre 15y ago
  I think that releasing actual documents rates higher than just taking down their website. Had they released internal CIA documents, you might have a point.
Alex3917 15y ago
"DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed." Because the 39,000+ people already killed due to the laws the Arizona police are enforcing don't count.
- kragen 15y ago
  Citation? Your comment seems to imply that the police are responsible for causing the Mexican drug war, but I believe that if the Arizona police were to resign en masse and move to other states, it would probably make the situation worse, not better; the drug cartels would expand to fill the power vacuum, and they are less accountable than the police.
  - Alex3917 15y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War Honestly, having the mexican drug violence spill over into the border states is probably the best thing that could ever happen to this country.
    - foenix 15y ago
      > Honestly, having the mexican drug violence spill over into the border states is probably the best thing that could ever happen to this country. I understand your point, but would tend to disagree until AZ gets a new governor. I vainly hope that the international drug war is ended in the next decade.
      - CaptainZapp 15y ago
        Only when some of the more restrictive governments (I'm looking mostly at you, US) lift the illegality of drugs. The insane margins are not due to the fact that drugs are expensive to make, but that the product is illegal. Prohibitions should taught us something. What we have now is Al Capone, but on a global scale.
  - podperson 15y ago
Sheepol 15y ago
Quit posting your trash on my internet you damn noob.
phlux 15y ago
PSY-OP MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU HACK IT?! This is NOT script kiddies going at it, this is bio-stux.... See the following: Watch these in this order: http://vimeo.com/25118844 http://vimeo.com/25118844 - brief overview great animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01Hmjv1pQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01Hmjv1pQ - ted talk on stux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwMW6agpTI&feature=youtu.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwMW6agpTI&feature=youtu.... detailed analysis of stuxnet the last one is long and Bruce appears to be an arrogant prick, but it is clear - cyber war has been here for a while. --- As I have mentioned, cyber war is here - and the legislation is lacking in its awareness - but becuase we have incompetant douches in charge of tech legislation, we will have physical war used as a metaphor to cyber warfare and thus have draconian influences from physical imprisonment being applied to digital situations. Utterly broken.

by blhack 15y ago

mynameishere 15y ago

The FBI probably already has their number and was waiting for something good to prosecute. They inject their filthy politics into their "lulz" and as far as I'm concerned they can go straight to damnation.

redthrowaway 15y ago
The press release wasn't written by them. [1] Also, "filthy politics"? Really? The best you can say of those who hold political views contrary to your own is that those views are "filthy"? [1]http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/84075440024719361 http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/84075440024719361

pnathan 15y ago

They are playing with the big boys. But really - does anyone think that direct action anarchist philosophy leads elsewhere?

patrickaljord 15y ago

> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news anyway. > If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Only if they're from the US. In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years and only for murders or specific crimes. For that they'd probably just get a few years.

sliverstorm 15y ago
This is ridiculous You begrudge someone the desire to not accidentally get caught up in something they could land in prison for?
- patrickaljord 15y ago
  This is not the first time a torrent containing breached information has been released. No one has ever been sued for downloading the torrent, not even with the wikileaks cable. Parent's post reads a tad alarmist and dramatic in my opinion but maybe that's just me.
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    Allow folks their small foibles and paranoia. You'll get along better with everyone that way :)
    - patrickaljord 15y ago
      They sure have the rights to their small foibles and paranoia just like I have the rights to call them on that.
  - kragen 15y ago
    People who download illegal torrents might be profiled and the information used against them later.
    - mcphilip 15y ago
      Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about-wikileaks-big-brother-say/ http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...
      - 15y ago

esrauch 15y ago

They already claimed to have taken down a CIA website in June among other pretty high profile targets. I'm pretty sure they would have already been doing at least 20 years if they got caught and actually charged with everything they did even before this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13787229 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13787229

pyre 15y ago
I think that releasing actual documents rates higher than just taking down their website. Had they released internal CIA documents, you might have a point.

Alex3917 15y ago

"DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed." Because the 39,000+ people already killed due to the laws the Arizona police are enforcing don't count.

kragen 15y ago
Citation? Your comment seems to imply that the police are responsible for causing the Mexican drug war, but I believe that if the Arizona police were to resign en masse and move to other states, it would probably make the situation worse, not better; the drug cartels would expand to fill the power vacuum, and they are less accountable than the police.
- Alex3917 15y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War Honestly, having the mexican drug violence spill over into the border states is probably the best thing that could ever happen to this country.
  - foenix 15y ago
    > Honestly, having the mexican drug violence spill over into the border states is probably the best thing that could ever happen to this country. I understand your point, but would tend to disagree until AZ gets a new governor. I vainly hope that the international drug war is ended in the next decade.
    - CaptainZapp 15y ago
      Only when some of the more restrictive governments (I'm looking mostly at you, US) lift the illegality of drugs. The insane margins are not due to the fact that drugs are expensive to make, but that the product is illegal. Prohibitions should taught us something. What we have now is Al Capone, but on a global scale.
- podperson 15y ago

Sheepol 15y ago

Quit posting your trash on my internet you damn noob.

phlux 15y ago

PSY-OP MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU HACK IT?! This is NOT script kiddies going at it, this is bio-stux.... See the following: Watch these in this order: http://vimeo.com/25118844 http://vimeo.com/25118844 - brief overview great animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01Hmjv1pQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01Hmjv1pQ - ted talk on stux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwMW6agpTI&feature=youtu.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwMW6agpTI&feature=youtu.... detailed analysis of stuxnet the last one is long and Bruce appears to be an arrogant prick, but it is clear - cyber war has been here for a while. --- As I have mentioned, cyber war is here - and the legislation is lacking in its awareness - but becuase we have incompetant douches in charge of tech legislation, we will have physical war used as a metaphor to cyber warfare and thus have draconian influences from physical imprisonment being applied to digital situations. Utterly broken.