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You aren't an expert on the subject either. Not sure what your agenda is but I wish you had some common sense just for a few seconds. Prostitutes will continue

You aren't an expert on the subject either. Not sure what your agenda is but I wish you had some common sense just for a few seconds. Prostitutes will continue their work legally or illegally, there were numerous unsuccessful attempts to stop them. There are n reasons why it's better if the whole sex industry leaves the underground shady world, from workers rights, less abuse, taxation, pensions, healthcare and so on. Let it sink in for a bit, it doesn't have to be written in a paper for you to attempt to make this mental exercise, does it?

bjourne 6y ago
No, I'm not an expert. Therefore I cite studies conducted by people who are experts. The available evidence indicates that legalized prostitution increases sex trafficking. Look at Germany and Netherlands. In both countries the number of victims of sex trafficking grew rapidly after they legalized prostitution. I.e evidence is against you. Stop being wrong. Note that most victims of sex trafficking are also illegal aliens. Thus legalized prostitution doesn't help them since they would also be deported. The main benefactors of legalized prostitution are the Johns who no longer have to suffer a social stigma from purchasing sex.
- tartoran 6y ago
  You are not an expert but you are also lacking common sense and you’re stuck up on one paper. You can actually find a paper backing up quite a few opposing arguments and there are plenty of papers, if that’s the only type of thing you ingest, to claim that legalizing prostitution would bring a lot of benefits.
  - austincheney 6y ago
    Common sense is an excuse to apply bias when you have nothing else to provide. Likewise the word obvious is fully interchangeable with the word oblivious without changing either the context or substance of a statement. Those are the polite and reasoned ways of calling this discourse ignorance or ethnocentricity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism
    - tartoran 6y ago
      Ethnocentrism? Really? Based on what?
      - austincheney 6y ago
        Based upon your common sense.
        tartoran 6y ago
        You not making any sense. I’ll take it as arrogance this time. I don’t know you enough but I suspect you have some insecurities that you need to deal with
  - bjourne 6y ago
    > You can actually find a paper backing up quite a few opposing arguments and there are plenty of papers, Then find a paper that claims that legalization decreases sex trafficking or shut up.
    - tartoran 6y ago
      I invite you to mitigate your arrogance, your argument involves hijacking the narrative and waving a paper around. You don't make any other effort. By the way, it was not about sex trafficking as much as it was about legalizing prostitution. Yes, the former is a problem but it does not negate the current problems sex workers are facing. There are more prostitutes who ARE NOT trafficked, they are being abused and silenced by current legislation. Just because of a possible increase in sex trafficking we should not shut down a whole discourse in changing these people's situation. I invite you to swallow your pride and learn to be mindful about the conclusions you draw from these studies. They're not set into stone and are limited to their scope; the quality of the data and a possible hidden intent is also not automatically removed from consideration. Not at all am I saying studies are not valuable but they should not be taken as complete truth, they're just a view from a particular angle. If you want to read about benefits of legalizing prostitution you're free to read it yourself, I'm not going to bother to extract excerpts for you. I've read some of your comments and you do come off as an intelligent fella but a bit on the arrogant side. Without any expectation I'm telling it does take some points off and unchecked may become a largerissue down the line. Enjoy your weekend https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/ https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostituti...

bjourne 6y ago

No, I'm not an expert. Therefore I cite studies conducted by people who are experts. The available evidence indicates that legalized prostitution increases sex trafficking. Look at Germany and Netherlands. In both countries the number of victims of sex trafficking grew rapidly after they legalized prostitution. I.e evidence is against you. Stop being wrong. Note that most victims of sex trafficking are also illegal aliens. Thus legalized prostitution doesn't help them since they would also be deported. The main benefactors of legalized prostitution are the Johns who no longer have to suffer a social stigma from purchasing sex.

tartoran 6y ago
You are not an expert but you are also lacking common sense and you’re stuck up on one paper. You can actually find a paper backing up quite a few opposing arguments and there are plenty of papers, if that’s the only type of thing you ingest, to claim that legalizing prostitution would bring a lot of benefits.
- austincheney 6y ago
  Common sense is an excuse to apply bias when you have nothing else to provide. Likewise the word obvious is fully interchangeable with the word oblivious without changing either the context or substance of a statement. Those are the polite and reasoned ways of calling this discourse ignorance or ethnocentricity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism
  - tartoran 6y ago
    Ethnocentrism? Really? Based on what?
    - austincheney 6y ago
      Based upon your common sense.
      - tartoran 6y ago
        You not making any sense. I’ll take it as arrogance this time. I don’t know you enough but I suspect you have some insecurities that you need to deal with
- bjourne 6y ago
  > You can actually find a paper backing up quite a few opposing arguments and there are plenty of papers, Then find a paper that claims that legalization decreases sex trafficking or shut up.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    I invite you to mitigate your arrogance, your argument involves hijacking the narrative and waving a paper around. You don't make any other effort. By the way, it was not about sex trafficking as much as it was about legalizing prostitution. Yes, the former is a problem but it does not negate the current problems sex workers are facing. There are more prostitutes who ARE NOT trafficked, they are being abused and silenced by current legislation. Just because of a possible increase in sex trafficking we should not shut down a whole discourse in changing these people's situation. I invite you to swallow your pride and learn to be mindful about the conclusions you draw from these studies. They're not set into stone and are limited to their scope; the quality of the data and a possible hidden intent is also not automatically removed from consideration. Not at all am I saying studies are not valuable but they should not be taken as complete truth, they're just a view from a particular angle. If you want to read about benefits of legalizing prostitution you're free to read it yourself, I'm not going to bother to extract excerpts for you. I've read some of your comments and you do come off as an intelligent fella but a bit on the arrogant side. Without any expectation I'm telling it does take some points off and unchecked may become a largerissue down the line. Enjoy your weekend https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/ https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostituti...