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While the Magic keyboard provides a viable keyboard and mouse setup for the iPad, I would much rather see macOS-style features made available on the iPad - part

by ch_123 6y ago

While the Magic keyboard provides a viable keyboard and mouse setup for the iPad, I would much rather see macOS-style features made available on the iPad - particularly a Unix shell and the standard tools which go with that.

pjmlp 6y ago
Mac OS did just fine without them until System 8, and the fact that it has one is just a side effect from NeXT acquisition.
- GekkePrutser 6y ago
  macOS isn't really comparable to what it was in those days, nor is the environment around. In our company I see a lot of web developers favouring Mac because they have a Linux-style commandline available. And console applications like vim are becoming more popular again. I wouldn't see these guys working on an iPad though, however if an iPad would become a dockable macOS laptop I would.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Those guys would do better sponsoring Linux friendly OEMs, as they might be surprised when Apple only catters to iOS and macOS developers. Console applications being trendy is more about nostalgia stuff than anything else. I have been there where TUI was the best one could hope for and don't miss it for one second. Any language can be used for automation and most modern environment support REPLs anyway. As for vim, better watch out for VSCode and Sublime.
    - GekkePrutser 6y ago
      The problem with Linux is manageability. We can't manage Linux as strictly as our security department wants. Well, we could, but it would mean mandating a certain distro and highly customising this, removing root rights and tightly locking stuff down with SELinux etc. The developers have no interest in this and neither do I to manage it. Too many awkward edge cases. They can use Linux but they're banned from the network. And "Just install whatever you like and configure it however you want" will just not work if they want it on the network. I know, old-style traditional IT mentality but this is what we're stuck with. The word of digital security is the law here. I have to work within their rules. Apple has good MDM management APIs that can't be overridden even by admin users, good hardware and the devs are mostly happy with it. Locked-down Linux is worse than locked-down Mac. It's a tradeoff for all of us.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Well, given the return timesharing, those scenarios will eventually be a moot point. I have been in projects were it is back in the old days, just instead of a UNIX account where I telnet/ssh into, and then do X forwarding, I get to use the cloud shell via the browser or start the respective Web UI, cloud IDE, with a perfectly normal user account and no root access. The dream of most IT departments, back in control of what devs use and install.

by ch_123 6y ago

pjmlp 6y ago

Mac OS did just fine without them until System 8, and the fact that it has one is just a side effect from NeXT acquisition.

GekkePrutser 6y ago
macOS isn't really comparable to what it was in those days, nor is the environment around. In our company I see a lot of web developers favouring Mac because they have a Linux-style commandline available. And console applications like vim are becoming more popular again. I wouldn't see these guys working on an iPad though, however if an iPad would become a dockable macOS laptop I would.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Those guys would do better sponsoring Linux friendly OEMs, as they might be surprised when Apple only catters to iOS and macOS developers. Console applications being trendy is more about nostalgia stuff than anything else. I have been there where TUI was the best one could hope for and don't miss it for one second. Any language can be used for automation and most modern environment support REPLs anyway. As for vim, better watch out for VSCode and Sublime.
  - GekkePrutser 6y ago
    The problem with Linux is manageability. We can't manage Linux as strictly as our security department wants. Well, we could, but it would mean mandating a certain distro and highly customising this, removing root rights and tightly locking stuff down with SELinux etc. The developers have no interest in this and neither do I to manage it. Too many awkward edge cases. They can use Linux but they're banned from the network. And "Just install whatever you like and configure it however you want" will just not work if they want it on the network. I know, old-style traditional IT mentality but this is what we're stuck with. The word of digital security is the law here. I have to work within their rules. Apple has good MDM management APIs that can't be overridden even by admin users, good hardware and the devs are mostly happy with it. Locked-down Linux is worse than locked-down Mac. It's a tradeoff for all of us.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Well, given the return timesharing, those scenarios will eventually be a moot point. I have been in projects were it is back in the old days, just instead of a UNIX account where I telnet/ssh into, and then do X forwarding, I get to use the cloud shell via the browser or start the respective Web UI, cloud IDE, with a perfectly normal user account and no root access. The dream of most IT departments, back in control of what devs use and install.