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Just opened the page and from the first sentence I had the proof that the ubuntu of Canonical is now a ghost of itself and already far down on the slippery slop

Just opened the page and from the first sentence I had the proof that the ubuntu of Canonical is now a ghost of itself and already far down on the slippery slope... "22 April 2021: Today, Canonical released Ubuntu 21.04 with native Microsoft Active Directory integration, Wayland graphics by default, and a Flutter application development SDK. Separately, Canonical and Microsoft announced performance optimization and joint support for Microsoft SQL Server on Ubuntu." So, the major changes done to the distribution is to suck up Microsoft and Google at the same time, and integrate whatever shitty stack that they want to push. For example, Microsoft SQL, if you are on Linux, you have the full power of Postgres, Mariadb, ..., who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux? And so, going one step further and spend resources to work on that as priority and market it? As a very long term Linux and Open Source proponent, I have the feeling that it is a hold up.

twodave 6y ago
Not really disagreeing with the spirit of your comment, but choice of RDBMS is rarely based on the desktop environment of the developers, except in maybe small/hobby projects where the differences don't really matter anyway. As someone who works in a .NET shop, it's been possible for a while to run MS SQL Server on Linux, anyway. This leads to a smaller overall footprint for those of us using dockerfiles to spin up test environments and such.
jcastro 6y ago
> For example, Microsoft SQL, if you are on Linux, you have the full power of Postgres, Mariadb, ..., who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux? It's not an operating system's job to tell people what to run on it, it's job is to provide a platform. If you want to go around yelling at people for using MS SQL then that's your choice right? Don't expect others to do the same.
GordonS 6y ago
> integrate whatever shitty stack that they want to push > who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux? The anti-anything-Microsoft rhetoric got old a long time ago, and TBH, comes across as petulent and a bit childish. Having actually used it for several years, I can say that MS SQL is a really good database - it has features and integrations that Postgres doesn't, and vice-versa. And if nothing else, having SQL Server on Linux is great for running on Docker when testing. FWIW, I'm a huge fan of Postgres, and it's my database of choice - nobody is forcing you to use SQL Server just because it's better supported. It seems to me that changes like this only serve to bolster the popularity of Linux.
barbiturique 6y ago
It's a blog post. I find it fair game to focus on the shiny objects. I see your point about Microsoft and Google, at the same time, does it have to be a bad things? As long as it stays open source, and it's not `shell` capacity without the optimized code like Chromium or Android are. What do you think of the actual release-notes ? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/1...

twodave 6y ago

Not really disagreeing with the spirit of your comment, but choice of RDBMS is rarely based on the desktop environment of the developers, except in maybe small/hobby projects where the differences don't really matter anyway. As someone who works in a .NET shop, it's been possible for a while to run MS SQL Server on Linux, anyway. This leads to a smaller overall footprint for those of us using dockerfiles to spin up test environments and such.

jcastro 6y ago

> For example, Microsoft SQL, if you are on Linux, you have the full power of Postgres, Mariadb, ..., who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux? It's not an operating system's job to tell people what to run on it, it's job is to provide a platform. If you want to go around yelling at people for using MS SQL then that's your choice right? Don't expect others to do the same.

GordonS 6y ago

> integrate whatever shitty stack that they want to push > who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux? The anti-anything-Microsoft rhetoric got old a long time ago, and TBH, comes across as petulent and a bit childish. Having actually used it for several years, I can say that MS SQL is a really good database - it has features and integrations that Postgres doesn't, and vice-versa. And if nothing else, having SQL Server on Linux is great for running on Docker when testing. FWIW, I'm a huge fan of Postgres, and it's my database of choice - nobody is forcing you to use SQL Server just because it's better supported. It seems to me that changes like this only serve to bolster the popularity of Linux.

barbiturique 6y ago

It's a blog post. I find it fair game to focus on the shiny objects. I see your point about Microsoft and Google, at the same time, does it have to be a bad things? As long as it stays open source, and it's not `shell` capacity without the optimized code like Chromium or Android are. What do you think of the actual release-notes ? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/1...