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The salaries seem really low. The absolute highest paying job listed on their site is a 110,000 euro salary, but you can get more than that with zero experience
by lacker 5y ago
The salaries seem really low. The absolute highest paying job listed on their site is a 110,000 euro salary, but you can get more than that with zero experience in California. I wonder if it would be better for software engineers in Germany to simply get remote working jobs for US companies.
- k__ 5y agoThat's how I do it. Works well.
- volta83 5y agoHow does that work tax wise? Does the California company have an office in germany? If so, do they still pay the same salary as in california?
- k__ 5y agoOh, I'm self-employed.
- mkurz 5y agoI am very interested: What is your hourly/daily/weekly rate? Do you have one long-term client in the US or multiples?
- k__ 5y agoI have one long-term client in the US. I also have other clients around the world, some long-term and some short-term. Overall, the international clients pay much better than the local ones.
- tluyben2 5y agoYou are a freelancer right? I always feel the US salaries are more comparable to EU freelancer salaries; I never made less than E100/hr as freelancer for the past 25 years working for EU companies. And often (if the economy is good etc), over 250/hr is doable. Sure you need to buy your own insurance (if you don't want public hospitals or minimum welfare if you get fired) but other than that I don't think it's that far off.
- k__ 5y agoAlso, private insurance isn't as crazy as in the US. I pay half of what I would pay to public health-care and still get better service.
- wasmitnetzen 5y agoYou also get (probably) 30 days of paid vacation a year and up to 6 weeks of sick pay paid by the employer (and after that by your health insurance). You can't just compare the raw numbers to get a full picture.
- lacker 5y agoI mean it's just so far off. Check levels.fyi, Google/Airbnb/Coinbase will be paying $300k+ for software engineers with 4+ years of experience.
- wasmitnetzen 5y agoMoney isn't everything to everyone. Different people value different things. I could probably get a job in the US with my work experience, but I'm happy here in Sweden, even though I make less than $100k a year. It's enough to pay for my lifestyle, so why should I trade a big part of my 30 days of vacation for more money which I don't need?
- phendrenad2 5y agoI don't think any German companies compare to Google/Airbnb/Coinbase. And it's not guaranteed that if you move to Mountain View you'll get a job at Google. Just saying.
- mkipper 5y agoThose salaries are also: 1. Unprecedented for "average" engineers (i.e. not leading their field) until very recently 2. Offered by extremely profitable big tech companies or less profitable companies with giant pools of funding 3. Offered by companies that highly value software engineers 4. Offered in extremely competitive markets The vast majority of employers in Germany, and in most of the world, don't meet those criteria. It's unreasonable to compare the average German tech company to the best paying American tech companies. Compared to the best paying software jobs on earth, German tech pays pretty badly. But so do most companies. I used to live in a city with a population of ~1 million, and most local "tech" companies paid new grads $60k - $80k, with senior developers landing between $100k and $150k. That's much closer to Germany pay than Silicon Valley pay.
- IdiocyInAction 5y agoUS companies don't pay 100k+ in Europe. Amazon pays like 60k base for SDE1 where I live and I think Google pays 70k+ base.
- wikibob 5y agoThat is not correct. https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-salaries-in-the-netherlands-and-europe/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala... https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1372918536566403073 https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1372918536566403073
- barrkel 5y agoI got an L6 offer from Amazon AWS in Berlin well in excess of 100k not including stock, which was into 6 figures over 4 years, but of course Amazon's 5/15/40/40 vesting schedule and rarity of stock refresh means you can't easily convert into yearly TC. I took an offer from Google instead, for more, but it's in Zurich.
- Vinnl 5y agoI work for a US company, but since they're hiring remotely, I'm competing with other European developers. I earn less than I would have earned at my last Dutch employer (which, to be fair, paid comparatively well).