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Maybe we should stop endlessly pushing and insisting on degrees... Maybe skills tests in an interview process is not such a bad thing. As an employer, I don't

Maybe we should stop endlessly pushing and insisting on degrees... Maybe skills tests in an interview process is not such a bad thing. As an employer, I don't care what piece of paper you have from what school. I only care about how well you can do the job I need to be done.

batch12 6y ago
I agree, but got mine later in life because not everyone does and I didn't want not being in the club to block some opportunities.
smolder 6y ago
I don't think you want a doctor without a degree, and there are many similarly difficult professions with a lot of impact.
- Godel_unicode 6y ago
  Yes and no. Doctors go to (effectively) trade school after undergrad, and it's actually that degree you care about. Does anyone care where they went to undergrad?
  - rjsw 6y ago
    Maybe in the US. Medical education in the UK starts at the undergraduate level, there is no pre-med.
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msla 6y ago
> Maybe skills tests in an interview process is not such a bad thing. I'm fine with this in theory, but lots and lots of places bungle it so badly that they're no longer testing programming skills, they're testing rote regurgitation of memorized code under pressure. If your job legitimately requires that, for everyone's sake get out of the industry.
- neura 6y ago
  Is the implication here that seeing that they have a degree is better than what "lots and lots of places" do? Personally, I think a degree doesn't say much about a person's ability to do what is required in the job. Maybe we should just get better at giving skill tests in interviews.
  - msla 6y ago
    > Is the implication here that seeing that they have a degree is better than what "lots and lots of places" do? Testing whether they can remember a specific leetcode question is worse than checking for a degree. Is that controversial?
bastardoperator 6y ago
Exactly this. I've given many chances to people that didn't have the paper and almost of all of them have risen to prove not only are they just as smart and capable, but that working in technology was a passion/hobby. I don't care about paper at all, it doesn't hurt and I value education, but it's never been a deciding factor when it comes to hiring.
skeeter2020 6y ago
>> As an employer, I don't care what piece of paper you have from what school. I only care about how well you can do the job I need to be done. To be blunt, duh. I agree degrees are very imperfect & crude indicators of what you're try to measure, but what is your alternative? I'm getting DoS levels of applications blasted at me, how do I filter to an effective level that removes the same cheating mechanics mentioned here?
- silexia 6y ago
  I built tested recruits.com and skills test every applicant. You can use it free if you want.

batch12 6y ago

I agree, but got mine later in life because not everyone does and I didn't want not being in the club to block some opportunities.

smolder 6y ago

I don't think you want a doctor without a degree, and there are many similarly difficult professions with a lot of impact.

Godel_unicode 6y ago
Yes and no. Doctors go to (effectively) trade school after undergrad, and it's actually that degree you care about. Does anyone care where they went to undergrad?
- rjsw 6y ago
  Maybe in the US. Medical education in the UK starts at the undergraduate level, there is no pre-med.
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msla 6y ago

> Maybe skills tests in an interview process is not such a bad thing. I'm fine with this in theory, but lots and lots of places bungle it so badly that they're no longer testing programming skills, they're testing rote regurgitation of memorized code under pressure. If your job legitimately requires that, for everyone's sake get out of the industry.

neura 6y ago
Is the implication here that seeing that they have a degree is better than what "lots and lots of places" do? Personally, I think a degree doesn't say much about a person's ability to do what is required in the job. Maybe we should just get better at giving skill tests in interviews.
- msla 6y ago
  > Is the implication here that seeing that they have a degree is better than what "lots and lots of places" do? Testing whether they can remember a specific leetcode question is worse than checking for a degree. Is that controversial?

bastardoperator 6y ago

Exactly this. I've given many chances to people that didn't have the paper and almost of all of them have risen to prove not only are they just as smart and capable, but that working in technology was a passion/hobby. I don't care about paper at all, it doesn't hurt and I value education, but it's never been a deciding factor when it comes to hiring.

skeeter2020 6y ago

>> As an employer, I don't care what piece of paper you have from what school. I only care about how well you can do the job I need to be done. To be blunt, duh. I agree degrees are very imperfect & crude indicators of what you're try to measure, but what is your alternative? I'm getting DoS levels of applications blasted at me, how do I filter to an effective level that removes the same cheating mechanics mentioned here?

silexia 6y ago
I built tested recruits.com and skills test every applicant. You can use it free if you want.