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> A language that is touted as "difficult to learn" and "difficult to onboard" is by definition not built for maintaining. I'm not so sure about that. (Or perh

> A language that is touted as "difficult to learn" and "difficult to onboard" is by definition not built for maintaining. I'm not so sure about that. (Or perhaps the definition itself needs scrutiny?) Most the languages I've seen get a reputation for being easy to learn have also subsequently earned a reputation for being a maintenance hassle: perl, ruby, python, php, javascript, etc.

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toxik 6y ago
Language nitpick in the parent’s comment: “touted” is definitely the wrong word here, to tout is to solicit.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  "touted" has a positive connotation to me, so it doesn't sound right to tout negative aspects of something. But the meaning seems clear.
- yesenadam 6y ago
  > “touted” is definitely the wrong word here, Uh, no. In Merriam Webster, that's meaning #2. Meaning #1 is > to make much of : promote, talk up > touted as the summer's blockbuster movie > the college's much touted women's studies program https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout
  - mumblemumble 6y ago
    Realistically, that first definition is slightly ambiguous; it may or may not mean to imply that the talk is supposed to be promotional and not derisive in order for the definition to apply. I am guessing that they probably did mean to imply that connotation, though, based on other information on the page. I'd argue, though, that the reality is that the word's meaning is in the process of shifting from being a synonym for "promote" to being a synonym for "make out to be"; that reflects much common usage, and dictionaries always lag behind a bit in cases like this. They have to - they're a descriptive artifact, not a prescriptive one.
  - toxik 6y ago
    Which is also positive in its tone. It’s the wrong word.
- agalunar 6y ago
  The sense here is 1 : to make much of : PROMOTE, TALK UP as opposed to 2 : to solicit, peddle, or persuade importunately https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout Edit: uups! Didn't reload the page and see yesenadam's comment before posting. Sorry about that!
  - toxik 6y ago
    It was promoted as hard to learn? What. Neither definition fits.
bradleyjg 6y ago
I think this is probably selection effects rather than language features. Easier languages disproportionately attract weaker programmers.
- mayama 6y ago
  Easier languages tend to get popular easier as well, which lends itself to companies being able to hire more.
- Too 6y ago
  Likely both. Duct tape is easy to learn, but it's not a good tool to use when building a house. Due to properties of the tool, not because it attracts bad carpenters preferring to use duct tape. Combine both these factors and you have a real amplified problem on your hands.

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toxik 6y ago

Language nitpick in the parent’s comment: “touted” is definitely the wrong word here, to tout is to solicit.

perl4ever 6y ago
"touted" has a positive connotation to me, so it doesn't sound right to tout negative aspects of something. But the meaning seems clear.
yesenadam 6y ago
> “touted” is definitely the wrong word here, Uh, no. In Merriam Webster, that's meaning #2. Meaning #1 is > to make much of : promote, talk up > touted as the summer's blockbuster movie > the college's much touted women's studies program https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout
- mumblemumble 6y ago
  Realistically, that first definition is slightly ambiguous; it may or may not mean to imply that the talk is supposed to be promotional and not derisive in order for the definition to apply. I am guessing that they probably did mean to imply that connotation, though, based on other information on the page. I'd argue, though, that the reality is that the word's meaning is in the process of shifting from being a synonym for "promote" to being a synonym for "make out to be"; that reflects much common usage, and dictionaries always lag behind a bit in cases like this. They have to - they're a descriptive artifact, not a prescriptive one.
- toxik 6y ago
  Which is also positive in its tone. It’s the wrong word.
agalunar 6y ago
The sense here is 1 : to make much of : PROMOTE, TALK UP as opposed to 2 : to solicit, peddle, or persuade importunately https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tout Edit: uups! Didn't reload the page and see yesenadam's comment before posting. Sorry about that!
- toxik 6y ago
  It was promoted as hard to learn? What. Neither definition fits.

bradleyjg 6y ago

I think this is probably selection effects rather than language features. Easier languages disproportionately attract weaker programmers.

mayama 6y ago
Easier languages tend to get popular easier as well, which lends itself to companies being able to hire more.
Too 6y ago
Likely both. Duct tape is easy to learn, but it's not a good tool to use when building a house. Due to properties of the tool, not because it attracts bad carpenters preferring to use duct tape. Combine both these factors and you have a real amplified problem on your hands.