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I imagine a lot of Python programmers find themselves using strongly typed language, and love that a whole class of bugs has just disappeared.

pydry 5y ago
I went in the opposite direction coz 40% more code to maintain didn't seem like a worthwhile price to pay to catch some pretty shallow bugs. Especially since more code correlates pretty strongly with more bugs.
- kaba0 5y ago
  How is it 40% more code??
- roland35 5y ago
  Java is certainly more verbose, but I feel that nothing is free and being more concise comes with some costs. For some applications the trade off is certainly worth it! I use python and Django for personal projects to move quickly. But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that.
  - dunefox 5y ago
    > But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that. Rock solid with features like null references, AbstractFactoryFactories, extremely over-engineered class and inheritance architectures, object fetishism, etc. I know what you mean, but Java and rock solid are not something I would mention together.
- rowanseymour 5y ago
  For me it depends what I'm working on.. I love writing loosely typed magic in Python for small scripts. But if I'm working on something big in Python, I take the time to use type annotations. IMO it makes the code easier to understand.
dzonga 5y ago
honestly types are overrated. if you still what's now known as data oriented programming or passing values then Python isn't a pain. However in the wild, yeah Python code can be an abomination due to people doing OOP then heavy classes without types and that is a pain. This is the main reason, I avoid Django most times even though I like Django because maintenance can be a pain.
dunefox 5y ago
Python is strongly typed. You mean static typing.

pydry 5y ago

I went in the opposite direction coz 40% more code to maintain didn't seem like a worthwhile price to pay to catch some pretty shallow bugs. Especially since more code correlates pretty strongly with more bugs.

kaba0 5y ago
How is it 40% more code??
roland35 5y ago
Java is certainly more verbose, but I feel that nothing is free and being more concise comes with some costs. For some applications the trade off is certainly worth it! I use python and Django for personal projects to move quickly. But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that.
- dunefox 5y ago
  > But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that. Rock solid with features like null references, AbstractFactoryFactories, extremely over-engineered class and inheritance architectures, object fetishism, etc. I know what you mean, but Java and rock solid are not something I would mention together.
rowanseymour 5y ago
For me it depends what I'm working on.. I love writing loosely typed magic in Python for small scripts. But if I'm working on something big in Python, I take the time to use type annotations. IMO it makes the code easier to understand.

dzonga 5y ago

honestly types are overrated. if you still what's now known as data oriented programming or passing values then Python isn't a pain. However in the wild, yeah Python code can be an abomination due to people doing OOP then heavy classes without types and that is a pain. This is the main reason, I avoid Django most times even though I like Django because maintenance can be a pain.

dunefox 5y ago

Python is strongly typed. You mean static typing.