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I am a Python (green) programmer who joined a team using Java (Brown), but I have found that working with Java has overall been a great experience. Most of tha

I am a Python (green) programmer who joined a team using Java (Brown), but I have found that working with Java has overall been a great experience. Most of that may be because of Intellij, but I find the verbosity helps prevent future bugs and helps more strickly define interfaces.

rowanseymour 6y ago
I imagine a lot of Python programmers find themselves using strongly typed language, and love that a whole class of bugs has just disappeared.
- pydry 6y ago
  I went in the opposite direction coz 40% more code to maintain didn't seem like a worthwhile price to pay to catch some pretty shallow bugs. Especially since more code correlates pretty strongly with more bugs.
  - kaba0 6y ago
    How is it 40% more code??
  - roland35 6y ago
    Java is certainly more verbose, but I feel that nothing is free and being more concise comes with some costs. For some applications the trade off is certainly worth it! I use python and Django for personal projects to move quickly. But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that.
    - dunefox 6y ago
      > But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that. Rock solid with features like null references, AbstractFactoryFactories, extremely over-engineered class and inheritance architectures, object fetishism, etc. I know what you mean, but Java and rock solid are not something I would mention together.
  - rowanseymour 6y ago
    For me it depends what I'm working on.. I love writing loosely typed magic in Python for small scripts. But if I'm working on something big in Python, I take the time to use type annotations. IMO it makes the code easier to understand.
- dzonga 6y ago
  honestly types are overrated. if you still what's now known as data oriented programming or passing values then Python isn't a pain. However in the wild, yeah Python code can be an abomination due to people doing OOP then heavy classes without types and that is a pain. This is the main reason, I avoid Django most times even though I like Django because maintenance can be a pain.
- dunefox 6y ago
  Python is strongly typed. You mean static typing.
CodeGlitch 6y ago
I am also a Python programmer, and would much rather write code in Java these days. Having a compiler tell you when you've made a mistake rather than waiting for a test to run is so much more productive. People who tell you that scripting languages improve productivity are lying.
- vardump 6y ago
  Scripting languages can be great for very quick iterations, but they can also cause serious issues in larger, mature projects.

rowanseymour 6y ago

I imagine a lot of Python programmers find themselves using strongly typed language, and love that a whole class of bugs has just disappeared.

pydry 6y ago
I went in the opposite direction coz 40% more code to maintain didn't seem like a worthwhile price to pay to catch some pretty shallow bugs. Especially since more code correlates pretty strongly with more bugs.
- kaba0 6y ago
  How is it 40% more code??
- roland35 6y ago
  Java is certainly more verbose, but I feel that nothing is free and being more concise comes with some costs. For some applications the trade off is certainly worth it! I use python and Django for personal projects to move quickly. But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that.
  - dunefox 6y ago
    > But if I need to build something that will be rock solid I need to move more slowly and carefully, and Java works well for that. Rock solid with features like null references, AbstractFactoryFactories, extremely over-engineered class and inheritance architectures, object fetishism, etc. I know what you mean, but Java and rock solid are not something I would mention together.
- rowanseymour 6y ago
  For me it depends what I'm working on.. I love writing loosely typed magic in Python for small scripts. But if I'm working on something big in Python, I take the time to use type annotations. IMO it makes the code easier to understand.
dzonga 6y ago
honestly types are overrated. if you still what's now known as data oriented programming or passing values then Python isn't a pain. However in the wild, yeah Python code can be an abomination due to people doing OOP then heavy classes without types and that is a pain. This is the main reason, I avoid Django most times even though I like Django because maintenance can be a pain.
dunefox 6y ago
Python is strongly typed. You mean static typing.

CodeGlitch 6y ago

I am also a Python programmer, and would much rather write code in Java these days. Having a compiler tell you when you've made a mistake rather than waiting for a test to run is so much more productive. People who tell you that scripting languages improve productivity are lying.

vardump 6y ago
Scripting languages can be great for very quick iterations, but they can also cause serious issues in larger, mature projects.