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I find it interesting that there are proposals like this now. There were proposals of the same type before the American Civil War, like those ideas represented

I find it interesting that there are proposals like this now. There were proposals of the same type before the American Civil War, like those ideas represented by the Knights of the Golden Circle[1] which had very prominent members including the Secretay of War, Secretary of Treasury, and Vice-President. It also resulted in people like William Walker overthrowing the Nicaraguan government and declaring it to be under Louisiana law [2]. It seems that when a set of beliefs becomes contentious enough, a certain set of people start trying to win by altering the political meta-system itself. That is not a good way to find a truly progressive solution or peace. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)

WalterGR 6y ago
It seems that when a set of beliefs becomes contentious enough, a certain set of people start trying to win by altering the political meta-system itself. I’m unclear on which you’re alluding to. Do you mean the majority party trying to move past the obstruction of the minority party? Or do you mean partisan gerrymandering by the minority party?
- brobdingnagians 6y ago
  Doing things that upend the system by fraud, force, or perfidity rather than working with people to craft laws and make things better by agreement and good faith efforts. I'd agree gerrymandering would fit the perfidity part. A majority party trying to pass legislation is what majority parties do and is totally fine. Trying to split a city into over a hundred states so that the system can be rewritten unilaterally is more of the perfidity part.