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Is it possible that an e-ink monitor could be an incidental offspring product of this project? I’m super eager to get one but most are either terribly small or

Is it possible that an e-ink monitor could be an incidental offspring product of this project? I’m super eager to get one but most are either terribly small or prohibitively expensive. I’m a sound designer. I just need to see the meters bouncing in my DAW and a reasonably updating zoom function and mouse movement. I dont need awesome fps and i dont need amazing colors. I think there’s an abundance of similar professionals. E-ink is not just for writers and coders as many seem to claim :)

seba_dos1 6y ago
That's a rather poor use case for e-ink screens. Bouncing meters would be pretty confusing when they blink between white and black while being updated (and an LCD would likely consume less power for that anyway), and mouse movement is pretty much the worst thing to handle for e-ink screens. I'd say that this use case is on the opposite end of usefulness spectrum for those screens than writing text or coding.
- MrJagil 6y ago
  Ah, the refresh rate is that bad? I recently watched the preview video for dasungs new monitor and was hoping we’d be there soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRvlJ2HjH30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRvlJ2HjH30
  - seba_dos1 6y ago
    While that is certainly impressive, try writing a simple app that hides the system cursor and renders its own one with such low FPS - you'll get tired of it very quickly (and I'm sure all game developers out there will agree without second thoughts :)). It may be good for occasionally clicking something to change the screen, but surely not for working with mouse in a DAW. You'll even have troubles with accurate targeting unless you move really slowly.
    - MrJagil 6y ago
      Yeah, just saw someone playing call of duty on e-ink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQFYVfIgz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQFYVfIgz0 Despite looking plausible, I think it would actually end up more straining on the eyes than just an lcd. Maybe in a few years... Edit: it’s interesting, it looks great when he’s writing on the screen with a stylus. Wonder why a mouse would be so much worse. Edit 2: this is what a dasung monitor looks like scrolling, mouse cursor etc: https://youtu.be/5pevlmk5kQs?t=655 https://youtu.be/5pevlmk5kQs?t=655
      - seba_dos1 6y ago
        It's simple - writing on the screen with a stylus is a perfect use case for e-ink screen because the latency doesn't really matter that much (I mean, the threshold where it becomes unacceptable is much higher) and you're just drawing on the screen as opposed to moving something that was already drawn there. I have played with simple drawing apps on a jailbroken Kindle many years ago. Mouse requires low latency to be useful as a pointing device. Do the exercise I've outlined in my earlier comment and you'll see for yourself why, really. That said, this Dasung screen has a really impressive latency for a e-ink screen. DAW work would still be tiring with it, but it feels like it's already unlocking lots of other possibilities (even though those fast modes leave lots of visual artifacts, but that's to be expected).

seba_dos1 6y ago

That's a rather poor use case for e-ink screens. Bouncing meters would be pretty confusing when they blink between white and black while being updated (and an LCD would likely consume less power for that anyway), and mouse movement is pretty much the worst thing to handle for e-ink screens. I'd say that this use case is on the opposite end of usefulness spectrum for those screens than writing text or coding.

MrJagil 6y ago
Ah, the refresh rate is that bad? I recently watched the preview video for dasungs new monitor and was hoping we’d be there soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRvlJ2HjH30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRvlJ2HjH30
- seba_dos1 6y ago
  While that is certainly impressive, try writing a simple app that hides the system cursor and renders its own one with such low FPS - you'll get tired of it very quickly (and I'm sure all game developers out there will agree without second thoughts :)). It may be good for occasionally clicking something to change the screen, but surely not for working with mouse in a DAW. You'll even have troubles with accurate targeting unless you move really slowly.
  - MrJagil 6y ago
    Yeah, just saw someone playing call of duty on e-ink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQFYVfIgz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQFYVfIgz0 Despite looking plausible, I think it would actually end up more straining on the eyes than just an lcd. Maybe in a few years... Edit: it’s interesting, it looks great when he’s writing on the screen with a stylus. Wonder why a mouse would be so much worse. Edit 2: this is what a dasung monitor looks like scrolling, mouse cursor etc: https://youtu.be/5pevlmk5kQs?t=655 https://youtu.be/5pevlmk5kQs?t=655
    - seba_dos1 6y ago
      It's simple - writing on the screen with a stylus is a perfect use case for e-ink screen because the latency doesn't really matter that much (I mean, the threshold where it becomes unacceptable is much higher) and you're just drawing on the screen as opposed to moving something that was already drawn there. I have played with simple drawing apps on a jailbroken Kindle many years ago. Mouse requires low latency to be useful as a pointing device. Do the exercise I've outlined in my earlier comment and you'll see for yourself why, really. That said, this Dasung screen has a really impressive latency for a e-ink screen. DAW work would still be tiring with it, but it feels like it's already unlocking lots of other possibilities (even though those fast modes leave lots of visual artifacts, but that's to be expected).