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Thank you to Canonical for keeping Ubuntu a free and open source operating system with long term support! With the death of CentOS (replaced by an unstable upst

by kbrwn 5y ago

Thank you to Canonical for keeping Ubuntu a free and open source operating system with long term support! With the death of CentOS (replaced by an unstable upstream of RHEL) it means a lot to the Linux community.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
Amen! Ubuntu is amazing! And keeps getting better every release! Big props to the Ubuntu team! My gratitude is endless for not having to use either Windows or Mac and still enjoy the desktop computer experience!
- curt15 5y ago
  Why was the above comment downvoted?
  - hwbehrens 5y ago
    My guess is that it was downvoted because it violates two of the comment guidelines: > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. The parent comment is neither thoughtful nor substantive, merely agreeing with the grandparent -- a verbose equivalent of a "This!" comment. A better comment might include the commenter's reasoning, their experiences with other platforms and their pros and cons, or how they have used Ubuntu personally or professionally, for example. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. The parent's implicit dismissal of Windows or Mac desktop platforms as un-enjoyable could be interpreted as flamebait, since choice of operating system can be a common point of contention. Hopefully this explanation helps. Since the comment was low-quality but not flagrantly bad, I assume it will pick up one or two downvotes but not a flag, and will sink naturally down the discussion as higher-quality posts supersede it.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      Being grateful theres additional options for a well supported desktop experience besides the two dominant parties is flame bait? Subjective interpretation is now a basis for downvoting and being labelled flamebait. Meanwhile the most upvoted comment is about the graphic looking like hairy testicles(which it does).
  - dang 5y ago
    It looked like bad sarcasm to me when I first read it. Perhaps other people thought the same.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      I LOVE Ubuntu. I don't think people realize how important a well supported DESKTOP experience is for open source adoption by the mainstream users. The mainstream doesn't care about zshell or fish shell or vim. All they see is the graphical desktop experience, for their email or browser. If that market can be brought into the open source world away from the giant companies that would be a huge win for open source. And Ubuntu is currently the only real game in town, and having used it myself since v11 or something it's come a long long way, to the point where my grandmother can use it.
      - dang 5y ago
        That's clear! It's just that many of us have been conditioned by internet snark to read comments like the GP cynically, unless they contain disambiguating information (as your comment here does). You did nothing wrong, but I have a hunch that ambiguity may have been the source of some downvotes.
        nickthemagicman 5y ago
        Good point. It does have kind of a hyperbolic snark about it if one didn't know that I was a little bit of a fanatic for Ubuntu. :) I kind of get the downvotes.
1337shadow 5y ago
I fail to see how moving to a rolling release strategy results in any kind of "death", seems like FUD to me. Rolling release, trying to stick to upstream releases as closely as possible, works well with Arch Linux, I'm glad CentOS learned from Arch Linux success. DISCLAMER: I'm not even a CentOS user, but I just like what RH does and has done for "the Linux community" as you call it (I would just call it "society" but whatever). “It’s a curious thing about our industry: not only do we not learn from our mistakes, we also don’t learn from our successes.” – Keith Braithwaite
- IceWreck 5y ago
  CentOS is doing nothing like Arch. CentOS rolling release will still be so slow that itll lag a lot behind Fedora. Its just that CentOS will now be afew months ahead of RHEL instead of afew months behind RHEL.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    eh, honestly centos is one of the few distros where you can get fairly recent compilers even on old versions, much more easily than ubuntus / debians. e.g. even on centos 7 (released in 2009)
- kingosticks 5y ago
  For many, the reason to use CentOS was that it was stable and supported for 10 years. They killed that and personally I agree with the GP that they have probably killed CentOS along with it. CentOS Stream is "positioned as a midstream between Fedora Linux and RHEL". I'm not sure who this will appeal to but it's not the same group as before.
  - roody15 5y ago
    Exactly midstream between Fedora and RHEL. Who is this target audience exactly ... agree completely was not the same audience that used CentOS.
    - 5y ago

by kbrwn 5y ago

nickthemagicman 5y ago

Amen! Ubuntu is amazing! And keeps getting better every release! Big props to the Ubuntu team! My gratitude is endless for not having to use either Windows or Mac and still enjoy the desktop computer experience!

curt15 5y ago
Why was the above comment downvoted?
- hwbehrens 5y ago
  My guess is that it was downvoted because it violates two of the comment guidelines: > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. The parent comment is neither thoughtful nor substantive, merely agreeing with the grandparent -- a verbose equivalent of a "This!" comment. A better comment might include the commenter's reasoning, their experiences with other platforms and their pros and cons, or how they have used Ubuntu personally or professionally, for example. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. The parent's implicit dismissal of Windows or Mac desktop platforms as un-enjoyable could be interpreted as flamebait, since choice of operating system can be a common point of contention. Hopefully this explanation helps. Since the comment was low-quality but not flagrantly bad, I assume it will pick up one or two downvotes but not a flag, and will sink naturally down the discussion as higher-quality posts supersede it.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Being grateful theres additional options for a well supported desktop experience besides the two dominant parties is flame bait? Subjective interpretation is now a basis for downvoting and being labelled flamebait. Meanwhile the most upvoted comment is about the graphic looking like hairy testicles(which it does).
- dang 5y ago
  It looked like bad sarcasm to me when I first read it. Perhaps other people thought the same.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    I LOVE Ubuntu. I don't think people realize how important a well supported DESKTOP experience is for open source adoption by the mainstream users. The mainstream doesn't care about zshell or fish shell or vim. All they see is the graphical desktop experience, for their email or browser. If that market can be brought into the open source world away from the giant companies that would be a huge win for open source. And Ubuntu is currently the only real game in town, and having used it myself since v11 or something it's come a long long way, to the point where my grandmother can use it.
    - dang 5y ago
      That's clear! It's just that many of us have been conditioned by internet snark to read comments like the GP cynically, unless they contain disambiguating information (as your comment here does). You did nothing wrong, but I have a hunch that ambiguity may have been the source of some downvotes.
      - nickthemagicman 5y ago
        Good point. It does have kind of a hyperbolic snark about it if one didn't know that I was a little bit of a fanatic for Ubuntu. :) I kind of get the downvotes.

1337shadow 5y ago

I fail to see how moving to a rolling release strategy results in any kind of "death", seems like FUD to me. Rolling release, trying to stick to upstream releases as closely as possible, works well with Arch Linux, I'm glad CentOS learned from Arch Linux success. DISCLAMER: I'm not even a CentOS user, but I just like what RH does and has done for "the Linux community" as you call it (I would just call it "society" but whatever). “It’s a curious thing about our industry: not only do we not learn from our mistakes, we also don’t learn from our successes.” – Keith Braithwaite

IceWreck 5y ago
CentOS is doing nothing like Arch. CentOS rolling release will still be so slow that itll lag a lot behind Fedora. Its just that CentOS will now be afew months ahead of RHEL instead of afew months behind RHEL.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  eh, honestly centos is one of the few distros where you can get fairly recent compilers even on old versions, much more easily than ubuntus / debians. e.g. even on centos 7 (released in 2009)
kingosticks 5y ago
For many, the reason to use CentOS was that it was stable and supported for 10 years. They killed that and personally I agree with the GP that they have probably killed CentOS along with it. CentOS Stream is "positioned as a midstream between Fedora Linux and RHEL". I'm not sure who this will appeal to but it's not the same group as before.
- roody15 5y ago
  Exactly midstream between Fedora and RHEL. Who is this target audience exactly ... agree completely was not the same audience that used CentOS.
  - 5y ago