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So lots of people commenting that they don't have an issue with such software. Fine, but that's an entirely different debate. This is about the company sueing

So lots of people commenting that they don't have an issue with such software. Fine, but that's an entirely different debate. This is about the company sueing someone for criticising the software, by detailing how it is supposed to work. So even if we accept that we need such software, do we really want to go down the path that software companies can sue people for talking about how it works and criticising them?

zibzab 6y ago
Note also that the original lawsuit was for Ian tweeting about their public YouTube videos. How can this garbage lawauit be allowed to go on and cost a man $100.000 in lawyer fees??
- worik 6y ago
  Because the rules are made by lawyers
  - koonsolo 6y ago
    and because it's in US.
    - ayewo 6y ago
      Small correction: he’s being sued (by a US company) in Canada, under a new Canadian law.
      - koonsolo 6y ago
        Aha, that might change it indeed. Do they have the "loser pays the costs" policy or not?
        ayewo 6y ago
        Kind of. According to the EFF [1], he might be able to recover his legal costs: “ But Proctorio’s bad behavior has inspired a broad community of people to fight for better student privacy rights, and hundreds of people donated to Linkletter’s defense fund, which raised more than $50,000. And the PPPA gives him a greater chance of getting his fees back.” 1: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/02/student-surveillance-vendor-proctorio-files-slapp-lawsuit-silence-critic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/02/student-surveillance-v...
    - input_sh 6y ago
      SLAPP suits are absolutely a thing in the EU as well.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    By lobbyists*
    - draw_down 6y ago
      Many of whom went to law school... come on
  - ch4s3 6y ago
    Maybe... But in the US we have anti-SLAPP laws written by lawyers in a lot of states. Any California court would toss this shit out in a second.
christophilus 6y ago
I haven’t seen anyone commenting in defense of Proctorio. To be honest, Proctorio seems indefensible. I hope this student makes bank. To your second point, the US legal system is extremely litigious, so I don’t know how you turn that ship around. I agree that this should be thrown out as a frivolous suit and the student should be compensated for damages— legal fees, time, psychological stress, etc.
- Hiopl 6y ago
  Might have been different hours ago, but now I see plenty of comments saying "but it's necessary".
jimmySixDOF 6y ago
Agreed the problem here is the lawsuit. They should have just ignored this guy and gone on with life. Now the they got the EFF to deal with and it serves them right. On the software side there is no easy way to do fraud auditing and that's that. I just recently took a professional PeopleCert exam online with a guy watching me through my webcam in a closed room I had to display in advance etc and temp installed some invasive application. So what ? If there was a better way to deal with the unfortunate fact that some people will cheat then I would be all for it but just getting all shook up about a temporary set of specific restrictions for a singular type milestone event is a little unrealistic in my book.

zibzab 6y ago

Note also that the original lawsuit was for Ian tweeting about their public YouTube videos. How can this garbage lawauit be allowed to go on and cost a man $100.000 in lawyer fees??

worik 6y ago
Because the rules are made by lawyers
- koonsolo 6y ago
  and because it's in US.
  - ayewo 6y ago
    Small correction: he’s being sued (by a US company) in Canada, under a new Canadian law.
    - koonsolo 6y ago
      Aha, that might change it indeed. Do they have the "loser pays the costs" policy or not?
      - ayewo 6y ago
        Kind of. According to the EFF [1], he might be able to recover his legal costs: “ But Proctorio’s bad behavior has inspired a broad community of people to fight for better student privacy rights, and hundreds of people donated to Linkletter’s defense fund, which raised more than $50,000. And the PPPA gives him a greater chance of getting his fees back.” 1: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/02/student-surveillance-vendor-proctorio-files-slapp-lawsuit-silence-critic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/02/student-surveillance-v...
  - input_sh 6y ago
    SLAPP suits are absolutely a thing in the EU as well.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  By lobbyists*
  - draw_down 6y ago
    Many of whom went to law school... come on
- ch4s3 6y ago
  Maybe... But in the US we have anti-SLAPP laws written by lawyers in a lot of states. Any California court would toss this shit out in a second.

christophilus 6y ago

I haven’t seen anyone commenting in defense of Proctorio. To be honest, Proctorio seems indefensible. I hope this student makes bank. To your second point, the US legal system is extremely litigious, so I don’t know how you turn that ship around. I agree that this should be thrown out as a frivolous suit and the student should be compensated for damages— legal fees, time, psychological stress, etc.

Hiopl 6y ago
Might have been different hours ago, but now I see plenty of comments saying "but it's necessary".

jimmySixDOF 6y ago

Agreed the problem here is the lawsuit. They should have just ignored this guy and gone on with life. Now the they got the EFF to deal with and it serves them right. On the software side there is no easy way to do fraud auditing and that's that. I just recently took a professional PeopleCert exam online with a guy watching me through my webcam in a closed room I had to display in advance etc and temp installed some invasive application. So what ? If there was a better way to deal with the unfortunate fact that some people will cheat then I would be all for it but just getting all shook up about a temporary set of specific restrictions for a singular type milestone event is a little unrealistic in my book.