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This argument is garbage. Of course there will be miscarriages of justice and this has been talked about since the beginning. There is nothing new here. > 4%

This argument is garbage. Of course there will be miscarriages of justice and this has been talked about since the beginning. There is nothing new here. > 4% of people on death row are innocent. This is not true, but it's irrelevant anyway since what is the acceptable level? Since it's not mentioned, we have gotten nowhere in this blog post. If we get it very close to zero, is it then ok then? Is the single incidence of executing a guilty man ok? Because either that's what this blog implies or it's skipping the real issues.

wanderingstan 6y ago
I don’t see your counter argument here. The post is indeed arguing that “zero people killed by the government for crimes they did not commit” is more ok than “greater than zero people killed.” This is a valid argument, drawing on the intuition that accidentally letting a guilty person escape death (even if we accept they deserve it) is a lesser evil than letting an innocent person die.
- beej71 6y ago
  A number of people I've talked to about this feel that the false positive rate is perfectly fine. That it's just the price we pay for justice overall.
  - mrlala 6y ago
    They are just fine with it until it happens to them.
- aaron695 6y ago
  > because so many of the people sentenced to death are actually innocent. He puts a vague number to it in my reading. The government regularly lets people die. The government regularly lets innocent people die. The government regularly changes things that then changes who dies. A human life is only worth around $2,000,000 in the rich west like the US. People, inflate that number a lot, but it's actually low millions. If the argument is it has to be 0.00 for direct action by the government that deliberately kills a person then say it. That's the end. It's not possible to get 0, don't bring in the fact it's 4% or x% or bring in case studies because that's just a changing goal post. The reason for the 'changing goal post' is because no one can ask why is the direct killing of innocent people different to allowing innocent people to die. [edit] Here's a 150 year old 'against' blog post that innocent people will die - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128491969 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128491969 Back then it was all about the innocent witches (which still happens today sadly)

wanderingstan 6y ago

I don’t see your counter argument here. The post is indeed arguing that “zero people killed by the government for crimes they did not commit” is more ok than “greater than zero people killed.” This is a valid argument, drawing on the intuition that accidentally letting a guilty person escape death (even if we accept they deserve it) is a lesser evil than letting an innocent person die.

beej71 6y ago
A number of people I've talked to about this feel that the false positive rate is perfectly fine. That it's just the price we pay for justice overall.
- mrlala 6y ago
  They are just fine with it until it happens to them.
aaron695 6y ago
> because so many of the people sentenced to death are actually innocent. He puts a vague number to it in my reading. The government regularly lets people die. The government regularly lets innocent people die. The government regularly changes things that then changes who dies. A human life is only worth around $2,000,000 in the rich west like the US. People, inflate that number a lot, but it's actually low millions. If the argument is it has to be 0.00 for direct action by the government that deliberately kills a person then say it. That's the end. It's not possible to get 0, don't bring in the fact it's 4% or x% or bring in case studies because that's just a changing goal post. The reason for the 'changing goal post' is because no one can ask why is the direct killing of innocent people different to allowing innocent people to die. [edit] Here's a 150 year old 'against' blog post that innocent people will die - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128491969 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128491969 Back then it was all about the innocent witches (which still happens today sadly)