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This is very US-centric. > at least 4% of people on death row are innocent. I expect in Scandinavia these numbers are different. But they dont have death pena

by cies 6y ago

This is very US-centric. > at least 4% of people on death row are innocent. I expect in Scandinavia these numbers are different. But they dont have death penalty. From the news I learn that US cops also kill innocent people in the street. And it's military wages illegal wars killing 100s of 1000s overseas. I think the US has a weird relation with violence. The death penalty and how it uses it is merely a symptom.

capableweb 6y ago
> This is very US-centric. Yeah, considering the US have a bunch of problems related to violence (mass shootings, overzealous police force, invading other countries left and right), it makes sense that other violent processes are also problematic in the same environment. I agree with you death penalty is merely a symptom of something else in the whole system of the country. Makes it extra weird when you consider how prude the US is when it comes to sexuality, while violence is something that is not only used as entertainment, but even many feel pride about.
- bruceb 6y ago
  The US isn't that prudish compared to many nations.
  - piva00 6y ago
    Yeah but compared to similar nations in culture and wealth it's pretty much an outlier.
  - ck425 6y ago
    My observation from the UK is that it's extremely polarised. When I visited Miami for work I couldn't believe how many scantily clad people just walked around and the stories you see in media from coastal liberal areas (fictional and non-fictional) seem just as, if not more, open to sexuality as the UK (who are more prudish than Europe in general). But in the otherhand there are large areas/groups dominated by conservative religious values who are hyper prudish.
- cies 6y ago
  Also mingling in politics. US has been in the business of that for decades. The whole of Central and South America has had a couple of regime changes dictated by the US. Then Russia supposedly bought some Facebook ads or something for a US election years ago, and I still need to read about it in the news every week. Conclusion: US also has a huge double measurement problem.
- otabdeveloper4 6y ago
  > how prude the US is when it comes to sexuality This hasn't been true for decades.
  - capableweb 6y ago
    No? As far as I know, nipples are still "banned" on most US social media platforms, but only if they are female. Male nipples are fine. Then children are usually shielded from anything remotely sexual in both real-life and from media while violence seems to be fine even for the youngest.
    - viklove 6y ago
      Yes, because corporate policies are the best picture of the current state of American culture.
dang 6y ago
This is a classic generic tangent of the sort the site guidelines ask people not to post to HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). You're changing the topic from a specific argument about death-penalty convictions to a generic, inflammatory point about how $country has a "weird relation" with $badness. This is how we get less interesting discussion, and also flamewar—in this case nationalistic flamewar, which we definitely do not want here. If anyone wants more explanation, I wrote a detailed post yesterday about a similar case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26894739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26894739 Edit: not only that but you stoked the flamewar downthread with posts about regime changes and putdowns about "civilized society". This is what I'm talking about. Please don't. Edit 2: not only that but you did the same thing yesterday, and to judge by recent history it looks like your account has swerved into using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. Please don't—that's against the site guidelines because it destroys the curiosity this site is supposed to exist for. You're a good HN user so this should be easy to fix. If anyone's worried about us being biased in favor of $country—here's an example from yesterday that went exactly the other way: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26892927 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26892927. We couldn't care less what color the flames are—we just want to have an internet forum that doesn't suck. When people starting arguing about whose country isn't "civilized" or whose there should be a "bloody war" with, we have dangerously high levels of suckage.

by cies 6y ago

capableweb 6y ago

> This is very US-centric. Yeah, considering the US have a bunch of problems related to violence (mass shootings, overzealous police force, invading other countries left and right), it makes sense that other violent processes are also problematic in the same environment. I agree with you death penalty is merely a symptom of something else in the whole system of the country. Makes it extra weird when you consider how prude the US is when it comes to sexuality, while violence is something that is not only used as entertainment, but even many feel pride about.

bruceb 6y ago
The US isn't that prudish compared to many nations.
- piva00 6y ago
  Yeah but compared to similar nations in culture and wealth it's pretty much an outlier.
- ck425 6y ago
  My observation from the UK is that it's extremely polarised. When I visited Miami for work I couldn't believe how many scantily clad people just walked around and the stories you see in media from coastal liberal areas (fictional and non-fictional) seem just as, if not more, open to sexuality as the UK (who are more prudish than Europe in general). But in the otherhand there are large areas/groups dominated by conservative religious values who are hyper prudish.
cies 6y ago
Also mingling in politics. US has been in the business of that for decades. The whole of Central and South America has had a couple of regime changes dictated by the US. Then Russia supposedly bought some Facebook ads or something for a US election years ago, and I still need to read about it in the news every week. Conclusion: US also has a huge double measurement problem.
otabdeveloper4 6y ago
> how prude the US is when it comes to sexuality This hasn't been true for decades.
- capableweb 6y ago
  No? As far as I know, nipples are still "banned" on most US social media platforms, but only if they are female. Male nipples are fine. Then children are usually shielded from anything remotely sexual in both real-life and from media while violence seems to be fine even for the youngest.
  - viklove 6y ago
    Yes, because corporate policies are the best picture of the current state of American culture.

dang 6y ago

This is a classic generic tangent of the sort the site guidelines ask people not to post to HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). You're changing the topic from a specific argument about death-penalty convictions to a generic, inflammatory point about how $country has a "weird relation" with $badness. This is how we get less interesting discussion, and also flamewar—in this case nationalistic flamewar, which we definitely do not want here. If anyone wants more explanation, I wrote a detailed post yesterday about a similar case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26894739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26894739 Edit: not only that but you stoked the flamewar downthread with posts about regime changes and putdowns about "civilized society". This is what I'm talking about. Please don't. Edit 2: not only that but you did the same thing yesterday, and to judge by recent history it looks like your account has swerved into using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. Please don't—that's against the site guidelines because it destroys the curiosity this site is supposed to exist for. You're a good HN user so this should be easy to fix. If anyone's worried about us being biased in favor of $country—here's an example from yesterday that went exactly the other way: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26892927 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26892927. We couldn't care less what color the flames are—we just want to have an internet forum that doesn't suck. When people starting arguing about whose country isn't "civilized" or whose there should be a "bloody war" with, we have dangerously high levels of suckage.