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I think this surge in India is being underestimated, if anything. It’s impossible to get a place in a hospital right now for love or money in most major Indian

I think this surge in India is being underestimated, if anything. It’s impossible to get a place in a hospital right now for love or money in most major Indian cities, not just the states that are reporting high numbers of cases. All states are suffering but some aren’t testing or attributing deaths to Covid. > A Financial Times analysis also points to under-reporting of deaths. Local news reports for seven districts across the states of Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar show that while at least 1,833 people are known to have died of Covid-19 in recent days, based mainly on cremations, only 228 have been officially reported. In the Jamnagar district in Gujarat, 100 people died of Covid-19 but only one Covid death was reported. All those states are run by one party. They are cooking the books so they look good compared to the other parties.

eklavya 6y ago
You can pick and choose data if it helps your beliefs. EVERY state is doing this. Every state government is afraid to let he public know the real numbers. Same story in my state not ruled by "the one party".
- vijaybritto 6y ago
  Yeah cause they will direct the entire to attack states who are reporting real numbers, as failures and will work ferociously to overturn the govt. We are witnessing this live with the Maharastra govt. The amount of real deaths now is in thousands per day and yet "the party" does not give a shit about anything and is focused on winning elections. So please dont come at us with childish arguments. Also try saying this in a public place in those heavily affected states. Then you'll know if people are in sync with you or not
  - totalZero 6y ago
    > Also try saying this in a public place in those heavily affected states. Not 100% sure what the insinuation is here, but just because the general public may respond negatively (perhaps angrily) to a particular viewpoint, does not indicate anything about the truth value of that viewpoint.
    - vijaybritto 6y ago
      The insinuation is that you will be attacked most likely punched in the face. Thats what I have seen
      - totalZero 6y ago
        I understood that. Just tried to phrase it nicely. The fact that someone is willing to punch you in the face doesn't make them more correct than if they were unwilling to do so.
- bongoman37 6y ago
  Every state isn't doing this. Karnataka/Kerala are better in this regard than Gujarat/UP. These are among the states where I am directly aware of the information collection. It isn't just BJP vs non-BJP either, Karnataka is a BJP state. Some states have better infrastructure and better reporting, e.g. Kerala, which ironically makes things look worse because their numbers are more honest. Ironically, on a per capita basis, the best performing state is Bihar, followed by UP. For anyone familiar with India, you can draw your own conclusions. For anyone looking to run their own analysis, this [1] has a comprehensive data source with APIs to pull data. [1] https://www.covid19india.org https://www.covid19india.org
kumarvvr 6y ago
> All those states are run by one party. They are cooking the books so they look good compared to the other parties. This party is the ruling party in the federal govt. too. Cooking books wouldn't allow it to escape the wrath of voters, perhaps temper it. However, I sincerely believe that every govt is cooking books. Politicians are not above that, no matter what party they are from.
- KingOfCoders 6y ago
  In Germany there is a agency for statistics [1]. It is regulated by a law (BStatG). "Cooking" statistics can be done of course, but is illegal and can get you in big trouble. The selection of data to use in Government press releases is free for the government to choose though. But one can go to the agency source. Contrary e.g. to the US many top government positions are not political and not changed with every election. [1] https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html
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- adrianN 6y ago
  The less corrupt a government is, the harder it is to falsify statistics without getting caught.
paxys 6y ago
> All those states are run by one party. They are cooking the books so they look good compared to the other parties. Made worse because it is election season

eklavya 6y ago

You can pick and choose data if it helps your beliefs. EVERY state is doing this. Every state government is afraid to let he public know the real numbers. Same story in my state not ruled by "the one party".

vijaybritto 6y ago
Yeah cause they will direct the entire to attack states who are reporting real numbers, as failures and will work ferociously to overturn the govt. We are witnessing this live with the Maharastra govt. The amount of real deaths now is in thousands per day and yet "the party" does not give a shit about anything and is focused on winning elections. So please dont come at us with childish arguments. Also try saying this in a public place in those heavily affected states. Then you'll know if people are in sync with you or not
- totalZero 6y ago
  > Also try saying this in a public place in those heavily affected states. Not 100% sure what the insinuation is here, but just because the general public may respond negatively (perhaps angrily) to a particular viewpoint, does not indicate anything about the truth value of that viewpoint.
  - vijaybritto 6y ago
    The insinuation is that you will be attacked most likely punched in the face. Thats what I have seen
    - totalZero 6y ago
      I understood that. Just tried to phrase it nicely. The fact that someone is willing to punch you in the face doesn't make them more correct than if they were unwilling to do so.
bongoman37 6y ago
Every state isn't doing this. Karnataka/Kerala are better in this regard than Gujarat/UP. These are among the states where I am directly aware of the information collection. It isn't just BJP vs non-BJP either, Karnataka is a BJP state. Some states have better infrastructure and better reporting, e.g. Kerala, which ironically makes things look worse because their numbers are more honest. Ironically, on a per capita basis, the best performing state is Bihar, followed by UP. For anyone familiar with India, you can draw your own conclusions. For anyone looking to run their own analysis, this [1] has a comprehensive data source with APIs to pull data. [1] https://www.covid19india.org https://www.covid19india.org

kumarvvr 6y ago

> All those states are run by one party. They are cooking the books so they look good compared to the other parties. This party is the ruling party in the federal govt. too. Cooking books wouldn't allow it to escape the wrath of voters, perhaps temper it. However, I sincerely believe that every govt is cooking books. Politicians are not above that, no matter what party they are from.

KingOfCoders 6y ago
In Germany there is a agency for statistics [1]. It is regulated by a law (BStatG). "Cooking" statistics can be done of course, but is illegal and can get you in big trouble. The selection of data to use in Government press releases is free for the government to choose though. But one can go to the agency source. Contrary e.g. to the US many top government positions are not political and not changed with every election. [1] https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html
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adrianN 6y ago
The less corrupt a government is, the harder it is to falsify statistics without getting caught.

paxys 6y ago

> All those states are run by one party. They are cooking the books so they look good compared to the other parties. Made worse because it is election season