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Why do cities like San Francisco want to keep assassins in the US?

kmeisthax 6y ago
They don't. What they do want is for immigrants to not fear deportation, so they want to make a stand that they'll fight immigration enforcement every step of the way. Hence why they'll get involved with these kinds of lawsuits. Even if ICE purely deported only people who committed crimes other than illegal entry or overstaying a visa; you'd still have plenty of immigrants afraid of all law enforcement. Yes, even the legal ones; nobody wants to have to show their papers on pain of having their life uprooted, even if they have those papers. I don't know exactly what lawsuits SF is filing, but I'm going to assume the actual legal argumentation is less "let the assassains go free" and more "assassains should serve time in American prisons rather than being deported to Mexico where they'll likely escape and reoffend".
- haram_masala 6y ago
  If someone is legally in the US, why would they fear having their life uprooted by having to show their papers?
  - lostcolony 6y ago
    Given that ICE has deported US citizens before, pretty sure it's a reasonable concern for immigrants to be concerned about ICE agents.
  - maccard 6y ago
    Not in the US but the UK. [0] a large group of people who moved here legally between 50 and 70 years ago have been deported, detained and refused legal rights. This does happen. [0] https://www.jcwi.org.uk/windrush-scandal-explained https://www.jcwi.org.uk/windrush-scandal-explained
  - cygx 6y ago
    Allegedly, in the timespan 2003 to 2010, the US detained (in some cases for months) or even deported over 20k US citizen: https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven...
  - sjburt 6y ago
    There's no "papers" in the US. You're not required to have a birth certificate or a Social Security card or a drivers license or a passport. There's no list of who is and isn't a citizen.
  - zo1 6y ago
    My opinionated and probably-biased answer to your question: 1. Due to their being no real central database, it's hard for physical persons in the US to prove their identity and consequently their citizenship status. 2. There are a lot of illegal immigrants in the US. 3. There are a lot of illegal immigrants in the US that have lived here for a long time so the "legality" of their status is muddied. This then makes the whole debate around this more about "what is right" and the emotions involved, instead of what the laws say.
  - kmeisthax 6y ago
    If someone is honestly paying their taxes, why would they fear having their finances uprooted by being audited by the IRS?
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They don't. What they do want is for immigrants to not fear deportation, so they want to make a stand that they'll fight immigration enforcement every step of the way. Hence why they'll get involved with these kinds of lawsuits. Even if ICE purely deported only people who committed crimes other than illegal entry or overstaying a visa; you'd still have plenty of immigrants afraid of all law enforcement. Yes, even the legal ones; nobody wants to have to show their papers on pain of having their life uprooted, even if they have those papers. I don't know exactly what lawsuits SF is filing, but I'm going to assume the actual legal argumentation is less "let the assassains go free" and more "assassains should serve time in American prisons rather than being deported to Mexico where they'll likely escape and reoffend".

haram_masala 6y ago
If someone is legally in the US, why would they fear having their life uprooted by having to show their papers?
- lostcolony 6y ago
  Given that ICE has deported US citizens before, pretty sure it's a reasonable concern for immigrants to be concerned about ICE agents.
- maccard 6y ago
  Not in the US but the UK. [0] a large group of people who moved here legally between 50 and 70 years ago have been deported, detained and refused legal rights. This does happen. [0] https://www.jcwi.org.uk/windrush-scandal-explained https://www.jcwi.org.uk/windrush-scandal-explained
- cygx 6y ago
  Allegedly, in the timespan 2003 to 2010, the US detained (in some cases for months) or even deported over 20k US citizen: https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven...
- sjburt 6y ago
  There's no "papers" in the US. You're not required to have a birth certificate or a Social Security card or a drivers license or a passport. There's no list of who is and isn't a citizen.
- zo1 6y ago
  My opinionated and probably-biased answer to your question: 1. Due to their being no real central database, it's hard for physical persons in the US to prove their identity and consequently their citizenship status. 2. There are a lot of illegal immigrants in the US. 3. There are a lot of illegal immigrants in the US that have lived here for a long time so the "legality" of their status is muddied. This then makes the whole debate around this more about "what is right" and the emotions involved, instead of what the laws say.
- kmeisthax 6y ago
  If someone is honestly paying their taxes, why would they fear having their finances uprooted by being audited by the IRS?

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