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Totally understandable if you ask me. There's difficult and there's difficult. I've had someone like you mentioned before as well. Especially the pet issue part

Totally understandable if you ask me. There's difficult and there's difficult. I've had someone like you mentioned before as well. Especially the pet issue part of it. Really bright guys that know what they're doing and they're awesome if you can focus them. But left unchecked ROI just isn't there. No we can't spend 80% of our time refactoring everything to match _their_ ideals. To make another example of where I personally can't shut up: if I see someone propose a stupid rollout plan that's got a real good chance to eff things up royally, then I will say that it stinks and why. That doesn't always mean doing it in the big 3k/hour meeting like in your example. And I'm not talking about a 'pet issue'. I can obviously be overruled and that's fine. I've brought it up and have it black on white that they were warned and they made the decision anyway. Fine by me. Don't blame me afterwards. I won't do unpaid overtime later to fix your shit. But I sure have seen way more than 3k/hour spent in meeting upon meeting after the warnings weren't heeded and it did explode in their faces.

cutemonster 6y ago
> Really bright guys that know what they're doing and they're awesome if you can focus them ... [They sometimes want to] spend 80% of our time refactoring everything Actually being unable to focus oneself reasonably well without the help of a manager sounds almost a bit dumb to me I'm surprised you're writing "really bright" > if I see someone propose a stupid rollout plan that's got a real good chance to eff things up royally, To me, you seem to be the opposite to those "really bright" people, in that you're helping others, sometimes the whole company?, focus on the right things, and avoid doing dangerous things. Those others, need help with focusing. Whilst you help people focus correctly?
- tharkun__ 6y ago
  > I'm surprised you're writing "really bright" Most people are not equally bright in all departments :) Yes, they're bright guys, I stand by that and they do awesome work of what they do. When left unchecked, they just focus exclusively on what they love and think makes the most sense. This may not always fully align with the overall company goals customer wise. And obviously you're getting only _my_ viewpoint of this, not theirs. They do remind me of myself more than 15 years ago, telling my dad about Linux From Scratch and Gentoo and how that's the only way to be. He was obviously right when he said that no, they don't have the time for that at their place of work and I declared him insane (in my head) because obviously, that was _the only_ way :) It definitely made me learn a lot of stuff, so for myself at the time it was the right thing. > in that you're helping others, sometimes the whole company? I try I guess. Sometimes it's really hard, because they don't want to be helped and/or actively seek to introduce policies that are detrimental to the company overall (not talking about the "bright guys" above in this case, e.g. the rollout plan I mentioned was the business people, not us tech guys). And again, my viewpoint only that you are getting here.

cutemonster 6y ago

> Really bright guys that know what they're doing and they're awesome if you can focus them ... [They sometimes want to] spend 80% of our time refactoring everything Actually being unable to focus oneself reasonably well without the help of a manager sounds almost a bit dumb to me I'm surprised you're writing "really bright" > if I see someone propose a stupid rollout plan that's got a real good chance to eff things up royally, To me, you seem to be the opposite to those "really bright" people, in that you're helping others, sometimes the whole company?, focus on the right things, and avoid doing dangerous things. Those others, need help with focusing. Whilst you help people focus correctly?

tharkun__ 6y ago
> I'm surprised you're writing "really bright" Most people are not equally bright in all departments :) Yes, they're bright guys, I stand by that and they do awesome work of what they do. When left unchecked, they just focus exclusively on what they love and think makes the most sense. This may not always fully align with the overall company goals customer wise. And obviously you're getting only _my_ viewpoint of this, not theirs. They do remind me of myself more than 15 years ago, telling my dad about Linux From Scratch and Gentoo and how that's the only way to be. He was obviously right when he said that no, they don't have the time for that at their place of work and I declared him insane (in my head) because obviously, that was _the only_ way :) It definitely made me learn a lot of stuff, so for myself at the time it was the right thing. > in that you're helping others, sometimes the whole company? I try I guess. Sometimes it's really hard, because they don't want to be helped and/or actively seek to introduce policies that are detrimental to the company overall (not talking about the "bright guys" above in this case, e.g. the rollout plan I mentioned was the business people, not us tech guys). And again, my viewpoint only that you are getting here.