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They don’t. That’s the problem. All you read about is the propaganda. My friend genuinely cares about making sure that there is justice but the media paints her

They don’t. That’s the problem. All you read about is the propaganda. My friend genuinely cares about making sure that there is justice but the media paints her like she’s some immigrant-hating Trump MAGA warrior. She has worked under Obama and Trump, and her job hasn’t changed.

lazyasciiart 5y ago
No, I read first hand experiences. Your friend can be whatever she wants, but if she is trying to argue that ICE doesn't pursue non-criminals, she is untrustworthy.
- hervature 5y ago
  Technically, crossing the border is a crime. You should clarify you mean violent criminals.
  - mikeyouse 5y ago
    Most "illegal immigrants" are here on visa overstays, which is decidedly non-criminal. So you should refrain from correcting people about things you yourself aren't fully versed in. Source for most: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu... More context: https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigra...
    - hervature 5y ago
      I said nothing about illegal immigrants. I’m a non-citizen myself. Here is the relevant law for you and other down voters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Ac... Obviously, we’re talking about ICE so my comment was meant towards non official border crossings.
      - mikeyouse 5y ago
        That's all well and good - but ICE doesn't just pursue border-crossers -- they regularly arrest and deport people here on Visa overstays.. Many of the people that OPs friend is complaining about receiving aid from San Francisco "activist lawyers" are from Asia, who obviously didn't enter the country illegally, hence, non-criminals.
        uzakov 5y ago
        > That's all well and good - but ICE doesn't just pursue border-crossers -- they regularly arrest and deport people here on Visa overstays.. Isn't visa overstay illegal? Is it not part of ICE job?
        mikeyouse 5y ago
        Visa overstay is a civil infraction, hence this whole debate - calling everyone who ICE deports “criminals” is factually wrong. You’re not a criminal if you leave your car parked in a street cleaning zone, you committed a civil infraction.
        zo1 5y ago
        There is obviously a large range between a parking violations and the discussed immigration actions. Let's be honest from both sides and compare it to something kinda comparable: trespassing. When such a thing occurs, most reasonable people expect the police (ICE) to come and remove them from the private property (country).
        uzakov 5y ago
        I think you are answered a slightly different question when you replied to my comment. "Isn't visa overstay illegal?" is not related to "calling everyone who ICE deports “criminals” is factually wrong."
    - throwaway_r9RF 5y ago
      Undoubtedly some of the visa overstays entered with a good faith belief that their stay would be temporary, but my guess would be the vast majority planned to immigrate and lied at some point in the visa issuance or border control process. That would make them make them guilty of criminal improper entry. The statutory language is in 8 USC § 1325[0] and consists in relevant part of: "Any alien who... obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation... shall... be fined under title 18 or imprisoned... or both" It's hard to prove and rarely prosecuted of course, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the overstays are guilty. [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
  - 29athrowaway 5y ago
    And some of the people being brutally punished by ICE and CBP do not even know what a country border is, because they don't know what a country is, because they're not even 1 year old. Feel free to jump to pages 7, 8 and 9 of this report. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20190712/109772/HHRG-116-GO00-Wstate-MukherjeeE-20190712.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20190712/109772/HHRG...
  - akiselev 5y ago
    No, it's not a crime - it's a civil offense by deliberate design. If it were a crime, it'd have to be judged in a criminal court with juries and a whole lot of inconvenient rights instead of the farce that is immigration courts.

lazyasciiart 5y ago

No, I read first hand experiences. Your friend can be whatever she wants, but if she is trying to argue that ICE doesn't pursue non-criminals, she is untrustworthy.

hervature 5y ago
Technically, crossing the border is a crime. You should clarify you mean violent criminals.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  Most "illegal immigrants" are here on visa overstays, which is decidedly non-criminal. So you should refrain from correcting people about things you yourself aren't fully versed in. Source for most: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu... More context: https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigra...
  - hervature 5y ago
    I said nothing about illegal immigrants. I’m a non-citizen myself. Here is the relevant law for you and other down voters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Ac... Obviously, we’re talking about ICE so my comment was meant towards non official border crossings.
    - mikeyouse 5y ago
      That's all well and good - but ICE doesn't just pursue border-crossers -- they regularly arrest and deport people here on Visa overstays.. Many of the people that OPs friend is complaining about receiving aid from San Francisco "activist lawyers" are from Asia, who obviously didn't enter the country illegally, hence, non-criminals.
      - uzakov 5y ago
        > That's all well and good - but ICE doesn't just pursue border-crossers -- they regularly arrest and deport people here on Visa overstays.. Isn't visa overstay illegal? Is it not part of ICE job?
        mikeyouse 5y ago
        Visa overstay is a civil infraction, hence this whole debate - calling everyone who ICE deports “criminals” is factually wrong. You’re not a criminal if you leave your car parked in a street cleaning zone, you committed a civil infraction.
        zo1 5y ago
        There is obviously a large range between a parking violations and the discussed immigration actions. Let's be honest from both sides and compare it to something kinda comparable: trespassing. When such a thing occurs, most reasonable people expect the police (ICE) to come and remove them from the private property (country).
        uzakov 5y ago
        I think you are answered a slightly different question when you replied to my comment. "Isn't visa overstay illegal?" is not related to "calling everyone who ICE deports “criminals” is factually wrong."
  - throwaway_r9RF 5y ago
    Undoubtedly some of the visa overstays entered with a good faith belief that their stay would be temporary, but my guess would be the vast majority planned to immigrate and lied at some point in the visa issuance or border control process. That would make them make them guilty of criminal improper entry. The statutory language is in 8 USC § 1325[0] and consists in relevant part of: "Any alien who... obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation... shall... be fined under title 18 or imprisoned... or both" It's hard to prove and rarely prosecuted of course, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the overstays are guilty. [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
- 29athrowaway 5y ago
  And some of the people being brutally punished by ICE and CBP do not even know what a country border is, because they don't know what a country is, because they're not even 1 year old. Feel free to jump to pages 7, 8 and 9 of this report. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20190712/109772/HHRG-116-GO00-Wstate-MukherjeeE-20190712.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20190712/109772/HHRG...
- akiselev 5y ago
  No, it's not a crime - it's a civil offense by deliberate design. If it were a crime, it'd have to be judged in a criminal court with juries and a whole lot of inconvenient rights instead of the farce that is immigration courts.