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I have a friend who works for ICE. She has literally deported assassins for the Mexican cartels. She said the hardest part of her job is that cities like San Fr
by plank_time 5y ago
I have a friend who works for ICE. She has literally deported assassins for the Mexican cartels. She said the hardest part of her job is that cities like San Francisco give millions of dollars to activist lawyers to help keep these criminals in the US. The activist lawyers and even SF know that these are real criminals but they don’t care. That money could be going to help the cases of real illegal immigrants who are making life better in the US but it’s instead going to defend these criminals. She says it’s really disheartening that they don’t care, they are blinded by trying to beat ICE.
- lazyasciiart 5y agoPerhaps ICE should focus their resources on these criminals instead of attempting to deport every person who ever crossed the border. Has she ever considered that this change might even be within their own power?
- plank_time 5y agoThey don’t. That’s the problem. All you read about is the propaganda. My friend genuinely cares about making sure that there is justice but the media paints her like she’s some immigrant-hating Trump MAGA warrior. She has worked under Obama and Trump, and her job hasn’t changed.
- lazyasciiart 5y agoNo, I read first hand experiences. Your friend can be whatever she wants, but if she is trying to argue that ICE doesn't pursue non-criminals, she is untrustworthy.
- hervature 5y agoTechnically, crossing the border is a crime. You should clarify you mean violent criminals.
- mikeyouse 5y agoMost "illegal immigrants" are here on visa overstays, which is decidedly non-criminal. So you should refrain from correcting people about things you yourself aren't fully versed in. Source for most: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu... More context: https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigra...
- hervature 5y agoI said nothing about illegal immigrants. I’m a non-citizen myself. Here is the relevant law for you and other down voters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Ac... Obviously, we’re talking about ICE so my comment was meant towards non official border crossings.
- mikeyouse 5y agoThat's all well and good - but ICE doesn't just pursue border-crossers -- they regularly arrest and deport people here on Visa overstays.. Many of the people that OPs friend is complaining about receiving aid from San Francisco "activist lawyers" are from Asia, who obviously didn't enter the country illegally, hence, non-criminals.
- uzakov 5y ago> That's all well and good - but ICE doesn't just pursue border-crossers -- they regularly arrest and deport people here on Visa overstays.. Isn't visa overstay illegal? Is it not part of ICE job?
- mikeyouse 5y agoVisa overstay is a civil infraction, hence this whole debate - calling everyone who ICE deports “criminals” is factually wrong. You’re not a criminal if you leave your car parked in a street cleaning zone, you committed a civil infraction.
- mikeyouse 5y agoYeah that damn due process. Always getting in the way of extrajudicial punishment.
- zo1 5y agoYeah, and that damn visa application process! Always getting in the way of crossing the border.
- booleandilemma 5y agoWhy do cities like San Francisco want to keep assassins in the US?
- kmeisthax 5y agoThey don't. What they do want is for immigrants to not fear deportation, so they want to make a stand that they'll fight immigration enforcement every step of the way. Hence why they'll get involved with these kinds of lawsuits. Even if ICE purely deported only people who committed crimes other than illegal entry or overstaying a visa; you'd still have plenty of immigrants afraid of all law enforcement. Yes, even the legal ones; nobody wants to have to show their papers on pain of having their life uprooted, even if they have those papers. I don't know exactly what lawsuits SF is filing, but I'm going to assume the actual legal argumentation is less "let the assassains go free" and more "assassains should serve time in American prisons rather than being deported to Mexico where they'll likely escape and reoffend".
- haram_masala 5y agoIf someone is legally in the US, why would they fear having their life uprooted by having to show their papers?
- lostcolony 5y agoGiven that ICE has deported US citizens before, pretty sure it's a reasonable concern for immigrants to be concerned about ICE agents.
- maccard 5y agoNot in the US but the UK. [0] a large group of people who moved here legally between 50 and 70 years ago have been deported, detained and refused legal rights. This does happen. [0] https://www.jcwi.org.uk/windrush-scandal-explained https://www.jcwi.org.uk/windrush-scandal-explained
- cygx 5y agoAllegedly, in the timespan 2003 to 2010, the US detained (in some cases for months) or even deported over 20k US citizen: https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven...
- toiletfuneral 5y agoTell her to get a real job
- pjc50 5y agoIf one of these "assassins" has an actual conviction in the US before they were deported, I'm sure you can name one and find some proof of this, otherwise it's just accusing people without evidence. ICE have no right to declare someone an assassin.
- spoonjim 5y agoYes, that’s the difference between an assassin and an “assassin.” With no conviction, a guy could be Mr. Rogers on paper — still doesn’t change the fact that he’s killed 20 people.
- pjc50 5y agoYes, but how do you know that? And why should we believe it? We're literally in a thread about wrongful conviction. Evidence. It matters.
- vagrantJin 5y agoThats certainly in the realm of possibility but the evidence of that needs to be clear. Accusations like that are one step removed from complete paranoia.
- spoonjim 5y agoWell the evidence would have to be clear to deport a single person. But a general trend could be enough justification to shut down immigration from certain countries. That is not a personal punishment like a deportation, so it does not need conclusive proof (which of course doesn’t exist, there is no country which sends exclusively or predominantly bad immigrants to the US).
- TheCoelacanth 5y agoThe only difference between an "assassin" and the actual Mr. Rogers is the word of the gestapo-lite thugs in ICE.
- spoonjim 5y agoThe people know the difference between Filipina nurses and MS-13 gangbangers, and if there is no constitutional policy that distinguishes them, they’ll crack down on all immigration. If there’s no politically correct way to advocate for this, they will use anonymous forums: Reddit and the voting booth.
- 29athrowaway 5y agoIf you want to work anywhere as a nurse, the first things they will ask you are: - To fill USCIS Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. - To provide a valid nursing license. USCIS Form I-9 is also required by most jobs. So the remaining jobs that are targeted by undocumented people are informal jobs in agriculture, construction, landscaping, food processing, etc. From the international news I've seen from El Salvador, it is my impression that Mara Salvatrucha/MS-13 gang members are easy to identify since they use MS-13 tatoos.
- jacobolus 5y agoThe ICE of the past few years is one of the cruelest and most out-of-control institutions in the USA which has regularly operated like a fascist secret police agency. Maybe your friend should try to exert some internal pressure to cut back on the institutional depravity, lawbreaking, coverups, and stream of lies, so that ICE can fix its ruined reputation and start building a bit of trust and support from the society.
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- open0 5y agoLegalize drugs.
- CaptainZapp 5y agoNot that she would be biased in any way, shape or form. Right?
- DubiousPusher 5y ago> cities like San Francisco give millions of dollars to activist lawyers to help keep these criminals in the US. This is HN. Please provide evidence of such a claim. > The activist lawyers and even SF know that these are real criminals but they don’t care. This is highly speculative. What possible motivation could they have for this?