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I have over a decade in the technical operation of escort ad sites. Laws like FOSTA/SESTA make it far worse. Very few sex workers are trafficked. Sites like ba

I have over a decade in the technical operation of escort ad sites. Laws like FOSTA/SESTA make it far worse. Very few sex workers are trafficked. Sites like backpage had a staff of many people who silently reviewed ads and reported trafficking tips. They were the #1 source of tips to the government. Backpage got shut due to a pissing contest between the owner and a AZ lawmaker IIRC. Legalizing is humane. The only trafficking I have witnessed is in California AAMPs. Gangs bring over women to work off “debt” and they move them to a new city every week or two to prevent them from making friends.

zachrose 5y ago
AAMP?
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- cko 5y ago
  I think it's sex work parlance for Asian (American?) massage parlors
- geocrasher 5y ago
  https://www.aamp.com/ https://www.aamp.com/ American Association of Meat Processors
ajmurmann 5y ago
Turns out the organizations who tout prostitution as a problem because it's supposed sex trafficking are usually religiously motivated and just don't like prostitution that's why they don't call for changes to make prostitutes safer
- austincheney 5y ago
  Like the UN? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppress_and_Punish_Trafficking_in_Persons,_Especially_Women_and_Children https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppres... Where did you get that from?
  - ajmurmann 5y ago
    https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1161&context=penn_law_review https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...
    - austincheney 5y ago
      So you are going to ignore one of the UN’s most important resolutions ratified by 178 nations because you found somebody’s essay?
      - ajmurmann 5y ago
        As the article lays out, not ask trafficking is sex trafficking and this gets regularly conflated. Human trafficking is a serious problem. However, most cases are about people who end up somewhat involuntarily working in construction and agriculture. Big example are laborers in The middle East whose passports are taken away when they arrive and then work themselves to death on constructing soccer stadiums etc till their supposed debt is paid off. Whenever you read about human, sex trafficking it usually turns out to be utter BS like in the case with the football team owner who supposedly was seeing trafficked, sex slaves from China in a massage parlor where they were held keptive. Turned out later that there was no regular sex, the ones worker who slept there did so once because she didn't want to drive home and nobody was even from China. If this is such a big problem where are all the articles about human sex trafficking rings actually getting busted?
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selfishgene 5y ago
There is plenty of trafficking out there even in countries where it is legal. This was just on hacker news today: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/22/trouble-in-paradise-rise-and-fall-of-germany-brothel-king-jurgen-rudloff https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/22/t...
dzhiurgis 5y ago
How about their drug abuse or mental health?
austincheney 5y ago
> The only trafficking I have witnessed is I take it you are not in law enforcement. Strangely, as a software developer working at home I don’t encounter much child slavery myself, so therefore it must not exist. Therefore I am not going to make the faulty and unfounded assertion that legalization will somehow eliminate unrelated crimes.

zachrose 5y ago

AAMP?

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cko 5y ago
I think it's sex work parlance for Asian (American?) massage parlors
geocrasher 5y ago
https://www.aamp.com/ https://www.aamp.com/ American Association of Meat Processors

ajmurmann 5y ago

Turns out the organizations who tout prostitution as a problem because it's supposed sex trafficking are usually religiously motivated and just don't like prostitution that's why they don't call for changes to make prostitutes safer

austincheney 5y ago
Like the UN? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppress_and_Punish_Trafficking_in_Persons,_Especially_Women_and_Children https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppres... Where did you get that from?
- ajmurmann 5y ago
  https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1161&context=penn_law_review https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...
  - austincheney 5y ago
    So you are going to ignore one of the UN’s most important resolutions ratified by 178 nations because you found somebody’s essay?
    - ajmurmann 5y ago
      As the article lays out, not ask trafficking is sex trafficking and this gets regularly conflated. Human trafficking is a serious problem. However, most cases are about people who end up somewhat involuntarily working in construction and agriculture. Big example are laborers in The middle East whose passports are taken away when they arrive and then work themselves to death on constructing soccer stadiums etc till their supposed debt is paid off. Whenever you read about human, sex trafficking it usually turns out to be utter BS like in the case with the football team owner who supposedly was seeing trafficked, sex slaves from China in a massage parlor where they were held keptive. Turned out later that there was no regular sex, the ones worker who slept there did so once because she didn't want to drive home and nobody was even from China. If this is such a big problem where are all the articles about human sex trafficking rings actually getting busted?

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selfishgene 5y ago

There is plenty of trafficking out there even in countries where it is legal. This was just on hacker news today: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/22/trouble-in-paradise-rise-and-fall-of-germany-brothel-king-jurgen-rudloff https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/22/t...

dzhiurgis 5y ago

How about their drug abuse or mental health?

austincheney 5y ago

> The only trafficking I have witnessed is I take it you are not in law enforcement. Strangely, as a software developer working at home I don’t encounter much child slavery myself, so therefore it must not exist. Therefore I am not going to make the faulty and unfounded assertion that legalization will somehow eliminate unrelated crimes.