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> Ms. Haddaway had demanded that the state dismiss unrelated drug charges against her grandson in exchange for her testimony against Mr. Smith and Mr. Faulkner.
by stefan_ 6y ago
> Ms. Haddaway had demanded that the state dismiss unrelated drug charges against her grandson in exchange for her testimony against Mr. Smith and Mr. Faulkner. The recordings also show that the state refused to place that deal in writing to prevent Ms. Haddaway from being cross-examined on the issue. The state, in fact, dismissed the charges three days before Mr. Andrews’s trial was scheduled to begin.
So they didn't just withhold information, 13 years after they manufactured a witness with some quid pro quo?
I think there was a crime committed here.
- codezero 6y agoThe story behind a lot of these innocence project stories is one of corruption and/or incompetence. We don’t punish those things too hard in the US unless the target is poor or brown.
- monoideism 6y ago> We don’t punish those things too hard in the US unless the target is poor or brown. Absolutely, which is why Bernie Madoff died a free man.
- sthnblllII 6y agoMarc Rich
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- codezero 6y agoI’m confused. Bernie Madoff died in prison. Can you clarify your comment? How is it relevant to this thread? His punishment, compared to the economic and personal impact of his crimes was very light in general terms. Try again.
- unstatusthequo 6y agoSarcasm. That’s what. He had 150 years in prison. Read: effective life in prison. What more punishment would you suggest? Oh two effective life in prison sentences? Gulag? Slow torture?
- michaelcampbell 6y ago> Try again. This level of smugness is almost never the right response here.
- codezero 6y agoI agree, thanks for calling me out.
- ARandomerDude 6y agoLet me tell you about a guy named Derek Chauvin...
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- agogdog 6y agoWhen people make comments like this do they seriously think providing a single example tears down the concept of systemic issues? This is a "it snowed today, so global warming doesn't exist" type of comment.
- codezero 6y agoNo, this is a troll looking to diminish the value of this community. Best move is not to comment or engage in the future. Downvote and/or flag. Or contact dang at HN moderation. Or, ask curious questions. Trolls hate curious questions.
- FriendlyNormie 6y agoWhat is your full name and home address?
- codezero 6y agoWhat would you like to tell me? I’m listening.
- rytis 6y agoFor those not fluent in Latin (I had to look up) "quid pro quo" means "a favour or advantage granted in return for something".
- thaumasiotes 6y agoThe literal meaning is "what for what?".
- zapdrive 6y agoI think all Americans know what "quid pro quo" is. A President was impeached for that. It was most likely the impeachment of the century.
- nindalf 6y agoMany Americans have heard of it and know that Trump was accused of it, but might not know what it means. And not everyone on this site is American.
- system2 6y agoYou are overestimating the average Americans. I can assure you 90% wouldn't know what it is if you ask them. Trying is free, ask your friends tomorrow and share the results here please.
- jaclaz 6y agoJFYI, it is only the English/American that use quid pro quo in that sense, in Latin (like in many other languages) it has a different meaning, while do ut des has that meaning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo "The Latin phrase corresponding to the usage of quid pro quo in English is do ut des (Latin for "I give, so that you may give"). Other languages continue to use do ut des for this purpose, while quid pro quo (or its equivalent qui pro quo, as widely used in Italian, French and Spanish) still keeps its original meaning of something being unwillingly mistaken, or erroneously told or understood, instead of something else."
- tyingq 6y agoAnd yet, it's still an Alford plea. He gets out, but no compensation or exoneration unless he leads the effort to clear himself.